[Senko]

I was just browsing and came across the fact Immortal Elves are a child of a dragon and an elf and the dragons are currently at war which got me thinking could that happen again with other species. Has it already. Is there an immortal dwarf, orc, troll, other out there running around and hiding that they were an experiment by a dragon now dead? Was Merlin a myth, a powerful wizard out of time or half dragon from the 4th age? Thoughts anyone?

[RulezLawyerZ]

I can't think of an official source that features an immortal that isn't an elf, dragon, or HMHVV-infected. I have an inkling Alamais (the IE baby-daddy) experimented with other races than elves, but the experiments "failed" with every race but the elves (and frankly, that didn't work out so well for Ol' Scarface*, either). That isn't to say they aren't out there; in fact, there's a pretty rich seam to be mined with the possibilities of extending orken and trollish life-spans beyond their current 40-50 years. Hmm...


* Yes, Alamis' scar was on his chest, but "Ol' Scarchest" doesn't sound as good.

[Tarislar]

Are they children of dragons ?

Where is that fact from ?

I thought I had read something from Earthdawn that said it was a gift (magical) to certain members of "any" race, though elves were the first as the original servants of Dragons, & that their had been cases of Immortal Humans at some point, possibly Dwarfs too, IIRC.

[RulezLawyerZ]

Are they children of dragons ?

Where is that fact from ?

I thought I had read something from Earthdawn that said it was a gift (magical) to certain members of "any" race, though elves were the first as the original servants of Dragons, & that their had been cases of Immortal Humans at some point, possibly Dwarfs too, IIRC.

Yeah, let's call it a "gift," as opposed to "that pervy dragon thing." The post-FASA Earthdawn Dragons book includes this little snippet from Alamaise's description:

Alamaise made a bargain with Jaspree and Astendar to allow him to create servants worth of him, children born of his blood and that of the elves who made their homes within Wyrm Wood. Alamaise took elven form and mated with elven women to bring forth the first of these servants.

Some of the surrounding fluff makes it sound like another of the Great Dragons (the Outcast) did something similar, even though it is forbidden by Dragon-Kind or what not, so the existence of other dragon-blooded immortals is possible, if not necessarily canonical; the whole "made a bargain" bit, though, implies to me that it isn't the sort of thing that happens anytime a dragon gets it's freak on with a "lesser being."

[Tarislar]

Okay, I knew Alamaise had mated & the others had frowned on it.  Just didn't realize that THAT was what was making elves Immortal, I thought the IE thing was something different, swore I'd read that somewhere.

So all the IE having their hate on against Dragons is really "daddy issues" ?  Huh, who knew.

[Sendaz]

Alamaise took elven form and mated with elven women to bring forth the first of these servants.

Draco Pro.....Scaled for her pleasure.......

[Senko]

I understand the hate is more to do with how they were treated as Dragons seem to view their servants e.g. Drakes more as property than their usual view of other sentient beings as being pawns. So the IE weren't treated well and didn't want to go back to that.

[Furious Trope]

If you want a great read, check out the earthdawn dragons PDF FASA released into the net when they shutdown. It's not quite finished as a book, but the dragon lifecycle section is hilarious.

Near the end the scribe writing down the words of the Great Dragon he was in service of, he got asky about how, "Hey, wait a minute... Dragons can change shape into people. Do dragons ever fool around with other Name-givers?"

The dragon then gets really evasive and defensive and says something to the effect of, "Well, uh... yeah. We try not to do that anymore."

Good stuff.

[SlowDeck]

When did FASA shut down? Asking because I'm really hoping that funding for Earthdawn 4E they got back in February produces results.

Also, what was the name of the PDF they released?

[Crimsondude]

When did FASA shut down? Asking because I'm really hoping that funding for Earthdawn 4E they got back in February produces results.

This was the first, "original" FASA. They shut down in 2001. This has nothing to do with the corporation that currently holds the name.

Also, what was the name of the PDF they released?

Dragons.

EDDragons.pdf is the file you're looking for. There is also a quasi-canon book published by Living Room Games when it held the license for ED call The Book of Dragons that incorporates the original Dragons document and adds information that is not canon to FASA or Shadowrun, and is only canon to the LRG version of the game. I want to emphasize that because there is at least one adventure in that book that relates to the existence and possible origins of the Jade Dragon of Wind and Fire and the Four Coins of Luck.

The Damon subchapter of The Clutch of Dragons discusses the murders of various metahumans who could have come into contact with the dragon, and it's suggested that the reason why is because he mated with them. Which is exactly what Denairastas (The Outcast) did with humans, creating the long-lived members of the Denairastas Clan that rules Iopos, and leading to his being exiled from the dragon community for not cleaning up his mess (killing his non-dragon heirs). It is unknown as to whatever happened to Denairastas or those of the Denairastas Clan.

It is doubtful any immortal orks existed in Barsaive, but it's possible they may have existed beyond Barsaive and the eyes of its great dragons. However, there are no known immortal orks running around in Shadowrun. The list of immortal non-dragons was capped at two dozen in the Game Information section of The Atlantean Conspiracy chapter of Threats in 1996. The baker's dozen or so canon immortals are elves; a half-IE, half-Horror; and a human. I cannot say whether that is all of them, and I know that at least one has never been identified by name.  I tried very hard to convince Jason to let me kill them all a few years ago. I failed.

[Critias]

When did FASA shut down? Asking because I'm really hoping that funding for Earthdawn 4E they got back in February produces results.

Also, what was the name of the PDF they released?

FASA-FASA shut down years and years ago.  Nu-FASA had a Kickstarter earlier this year (but be aware that there's not a ton of overlap between the two, besides the name).

[SlowDeck]

Oh! Okay.

And, thank you for the PDF link ^.^

[Furious Trope]

I tried very hard to convince Jason to let me kill them all a few years ago. I failed.

We appreciate the effort, Crimsondude.

On that note, a large plot point of my Denver game from last year included Ghostwalker kicking the Azzies back out. An early step in this process was ganking the uber shadow spirits Oblivion and Maelstrom one of which he killed and shoved in a metaplanar portal to one of the bug spirit home planes with Harlequin guilted into running inference to keep any bugs from getting through. This also included a large percentage of the spirit population of Denver in active combat. Shocking surprise? GW ganks Harlequin while he was tired from fighting a metaplane worth of insect spirits. Since, let's face it. Pretty much the entire plane would know there was an open portal pretty much immediately.

Anyway, next day his severed head appeared on a pike in full makeup outside the FRFZ council building.

Sorry, laughing man. There are consequences.

So, you know, one down. 23 to go.

[Crimsondude]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8RCQDDsMpU

[cantrip]

I think it's been implied that the children of immortals can be immortal - for example Jane Foster. Though, I've never seen anywhere that says who her mother was----just that she died.

Another one I was never sure about was Sean Laverty - I know he was around before the 6th world, but I'm not sure how far back he goes. There were quite a few spike babies through the years - though that doesn't mean immortal at all.