[Senko]

Interesting and I do like the fact that there is or was an immortal human around glad they haven't all been killed off.

[Crimsondude]

I'll just say it since not everyone has Threats, which is 18 years old: It's the Penultimate Master of the Black Lodge. The de facto top of the pyramid.

[Tarislar]

I think it's been implied that the children of immortals can be immortal - for example Jane Foster. 

Now here's some questions.  Has there ever been any info on if there are kids that are NOT immortal.  Or if the immortal quality can skill generations or if it can be passed on during low magic times.  I mean, we have multi-thousand year old elves running around for the last 5000 years in "human" kingdoms.  Did they never have kids ?   Could you have mortal kids that later gave birth to immortals ?

Are dragons immortal ?  I thought they could die but then again, mostly we just see them killed, not crippled from old age.

[Namikaze]

I do know of one Immortal Ork for certain.  Neil the Ork Barbarian!  RAWR!

[Senko]

Hmmmmm

Player: "Okay I'm playing a character that was originally human but turned into an Elf due to a high magic surge but they still look human so everyone thinks they're immortal."
GM: "Okay add immune to aging to your character for free."
Player: "What?"
GM: "Just do it please."
Player: "Err okay . . . could I really be a human and still have this?"
GM: "Sure why not, cool marks it down, that gives me higher edge too."
GM: "Thank you." shuffles through his notes for a suitable dragon to toy with the character.

[Tarislar]

Hehe...

Elf w/ "Human Looking" trait sounds a lot safer & less dragony

[Bruce]

imho, IE's (and I-whatevers) make for interesting plot points and NPCs, but I would NEVER allow a PC; not even one who claimed to be 'just a descendant'; into my campaigns.

But since I have as an NPC a survivor of the 1st world...

[Critias]

imho, IE's (and I-whatevers) make for interesting plot points and NPCs, but I would NEVER allow a PC; not even one who claimed to be 'just a descendant'; into my campaigns.

But since I have as an NPC a survivor of the 1st world...

This is kind of why most people hate IE's.  "Good enough for the GM,  but there's no way it's good enough for a PC" is an attitude an awful lot of players really hate.

[DeathStrobe]

I don't know. It could work. How does Frosty's stats compare to a seasoned runner? If you are a new young immortal elf, I have to assume you'll be closer in power to a starting runner than Harlequin or Ehran the Scribe. And hell, just because your immortal doesn't mean you can't die or run the shadows.

[Senko]

Pretty much that and I assume frosty while still learning probably isnt a starting runner. Personally I don't think the immortality would be a big problem compared to the other benefits (immune yo disease, pathogens and potential access to dragon magic). Because those are things that will come up in a game. Still starting out skills/ability wise I doubt their any more powerful than anyone else its just the ones still alive have had millenia to improve their abilities, skills and resourced. Hmmmm I wonder if there was ever a mystic adept immortal because with that much time to improve they'd be really scary.

The problem with the human looking elf is it costs you edge, skills, karma or magic. Could work for a non magic character though.

[ProfGast]

Frosty isn't exactly what you call a "new" runner.

In the current canon it is the year 2075.

Frosty was posting on Shadowland as a runner as early as 2057 (Threats).

Even assuming she was completely green then, that means by now she's got near 20 years in the shadows, much of that time apprenticed to Harlequin (they parted ways in July of 2073).

I'd bet at this point she's quite powerful.  Maybe not quite to the level of Thorn (Street Legends places him at a magic rating of 14!) given he's been active since as early as 2036, but she's probably quite a high level initiate at this point.

[Critias]

I'd bet at this point she's quite powerful.  Maybe not quite to the level of Thorn (Street Legends places him at a magic rating of 14!) given he's been active since as early as 2036, but she's probably quite a high level initiate at this point.

There're stats for her floating around in some book, but I can't seem to remember which one off the top of my head (somewhere in Dawn of the Artifacts, but I don't recall which one).

That said, in terms of magical power, I'd personally peg her higher than Thorn.  She might not be as well-rounded (at both combat, stealth, and social manipulation) as he is, but that's because he's sunk a lot of time and training (IE, karma points) into skills across a wide variety of groups.  For just plain magical whammy, I'd go with Harlequin's apprentice, well before I'd go with Agent Thorn, in my personal headcanon.

...all that said, though, I think her power comes more from that nonstop magical training with a lunatic who's a literally top-tier spellcaster, and less from just inherited power due to her lineage or whatnot. 

[Crimsondude]

Her stats are on pp.140-41 of Artifacts Unbound. She's listed as Grade 11, Magic 15.


I'd peg her at full-power (M 17) by now given the events of Dawn of the Artifacts/AU are behind her. Given the change in skill levels, the important ones are definitely going to be in double digits.

[Senko]

There you go not a starting runner but probably got where she is via training ratger than being immortal.

As for kids I'd say given shes noted as inheriting his immortal gene its probably a recessive trait.and while kids might have it they probably wont especially if they're the child of an immortal and anormal person but it can crop again generations after the crossbreeding toke place especially as mama levels rise.

[Sendaz]

and while kids might have it they probably wont especially if they're the child of an immortal and anormal person but it can crop again generations after the crossbreeding toke place especially as mama levels rise.

Your mama is so low you couldn't even goblinize