Shadowrun
Shadowrun General => Gear => Topic started by: Ethan on <09-18-12/1440:14>
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My RL gaming crew's getting back together for a bit of Shadowrun fun. I'll be taking a hand at GMing the Missions, which I've never really played through, but our regular GM is running a campaign in Hong Kong, Manila, Hawai'i, and so forth.
The typical lined coat / armoured jacket's harder to hide and explain away.
Suggestions?
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The Ares Globetrotter line from Arsenal talks about lines for hot and humid environments
An Ares Industrious Jumpsuit could also provide a handy disguise while being fairly light
Urban Explorer Jumpsuits mention being well ventilated
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Plain old armor clothing works, for casual wear.
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My group just landed in the Middle East.
I was the only one smart enough not to wear body armour, and to get some nice, comfy clothing.
"Some people think they can outsmart Heavy Weapons Troll. Maybe. *Sniff* Maybe. I have yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet." ;D
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Armoured clothing with Delta-Amyloid could well do the job.
With form-fitting underneath you get pretty decent ballistic protection.
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Could you stack Delta Amyloid with YNT SoftWeave?
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Could you stack Delta Amyloid with YNT SoftWeave?
Personally, I don't see why not. There's nothing in the rules to suggest otherwise. Only a few people who had a knee-jerk reaction to the book SoftWeave is in and decided to blanket ban the whole dang book.
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Could you stack Delta Amyloid with YNT SoftWeave?
Personally, I don't see why not. There's nothing in the rules to suggest otherwise. Only a few people who had a knee-jerk reaction to the book SoftWeave is in and decided to blanket ban the whole dang book.
Well between YNT SoftWeave and Delta Amyloid you could make some very light weight armor (for the heat) very useful to lower bod characters
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You know...it would be cool if they had armoured versions of things like the traditional bedoin garb for characters going to the desert, or armoured versions of the traditional clothes from India for hot and humid, or armoured versions of traditional clothes from people who lived in climates like that for centuries and developed their own clothing to deal with the climate.
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If you can afford it there's certainly the Zoe Heritage Line, sure its 10000+ nuyen per outfit, but hey, its got style
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Something like this?
(http://www.dees-fancydress.co.uk/catalog/images/4310C_d.jpg)
I guess an added bonus is that nobody will suspect you are a runner.
Rasmus
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Derek Montgomery probably ran around in armored clothes like that for most of House of the Sun... good enough for him...
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Something like this?
*snip*
I guess an added bonus is that nobody will suspect you are a runner.
Rasmus
You win an internet.
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Something like this?
(http://www.dees-fancydress.co.uk/catalog/images/4310C_d.jpg)
I guess an added bonus is that nobody will suspect you are a runner.
Rasmus
Also the added bonus that people would shoot you on sight, just because. :P
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Something like this?
(http://www.dees-fancydress.co.uk/catalog/images/4310C_d.jpg)
I guess an added bonus is that nobody will suspect you are a runner.
Rasmus
Also the added bonus that people would shoot you on sight, just because. :P
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Horizon Fashion Police: LA
Protecting the Rich and Fashionable from the Tacky and Tasteless with Scorn and Subtle Mockery!
This is Shadowrun, you forgot: "And high-velocity rounds." ;D
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This is Shadowrun, you forgot: "And high-velocity rounds." ;D
If Queer Eye was introduced during 2072's LA, you can goshdarn bet that it'll get better ratings then the plain old nonarmed version!
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Hafta admit, I usually ignore the WAR! stuff.
You know...it would be cool if they had armoured versions of things like the traditional bedoin garb for characters going to the desert, or armoured versions of the traditional clothes from India for hot and humid, or armoured versions of traditional clothes from people who lived in climates like that for centuries and developed their own clothing to deal with the climate.
That's true as well. I suppose we could modify existing armoured clothes for that. Or perhaps concealed bits, but still, that stuff would be nice to see.
My character isn't set yet, was thinking about a Fomori... can you imagine one in beach shorts?
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You know...it would be cool if they had armoured versions of things like the traditional bedoin garb for characters going to the desert, or armoured versions of the traditional clothes from India for hot and humid, or armoured versions of traditional clothes from people who lived in climates like that for centuries and developed their own clothing to deal with the climate.
What makes you think they don't? Seriously, "armor clothing" can cover a whole lot of stuff. You don't need to see Zoe release an "Arabian Nights" line of custom-tailored high-fashion armored stuff, do you? Why not just say "yes, it looks like that, and also provides 4/0 armor" and call it a day?
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This is Shadowrun, you forgot: "And high-velocity rounds." ;D
If Queer Eye was introduced during 2072's LA, you can goshdarn bet that it'll get better ratings then the plain old nonarmed version!
Anyone else thinking this could make a run setup for some high profile runners... Assasinate perpetrators of crimes against fashion whilst wearing trideo cams/simsense recorders...
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Heavy Weapons Troll demonstrated that the style in the desert is shorts, combat boots, and a shoulder rig for an SMG and spare clips. No shirt. (It's nighttime that we're usually traveling, so no worries of sunburn.).
"I bring gun show." got me an extra Karma. ;D
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Orthoskin with Smart Insulation is never a bad idea... and possibly dragon skin, if you're going to be out in the sun~
Also, I'm suprised noone's brought up the Desert Suit from Arsenal p. 53.
...or the HEL Suit for that matter! good in heat AND cold, radiation shielding, water resistant, 4/6 armor, vacuum rated for 5 minutes... and plenty of pockets! What's not to love? p. 54 in Arsenal for that, by the way~
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You know...it would be cool if they had armoured versions of things like the traditional bedoin garb for characters going to the desert, or armoured versions of the traditional clothes from India for hot and humid, or armoured versions of traditional clothes from people who lived in climates like that for centuries and developed their own clothing to deal with the climate.
What makes you think they don't? Seriously, "armor clothing" can cover a whole lot of stuff. You don't need to see Zoe release an "Arabian Nights" line of custom-tailored high-fashion armored stuff, do you? Why not just say "yes, it looks like that, and also provides 4/0 armor" and call it a day?
Actually, at least for clothes for the desert, it would need rules for mitigating the effects of the desert. Also, for things like, say, an armoured Sari, you would need different stats, as it would not be made out of standard ballistic cloth.
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having spent alot of time in the desert. anything loose fitting is best, with some room for the clothes to breath, FFBA would be out of the question. Depending on the body armor in question, ceramic plate vest, sucks, and if its 120 out side, expect it to be about 140 under the armor. Now SR concealed vest might work with out to much build up of heat. So some lose fitting pants, a tee shirt, or the locale garb would be good.
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I could see form-fitting being okay for desert wear. It's mostly semi-rigid sections with non-ballistic fabric in between, right? Easy enough to use a breathable mesh fabric like modern BMX armor.
Sure it would get sweaty, and maybe a little smelly where the armored sections are, but I doubt it would be unbearable.
An armored long coat could actually work pretty well too, given the technology advancements in the fields of compact power supplies. I could see a desert version that has a miniaturized cooling unit pumping cold liquid through a mesh of tubes in the lining of the yoke and collar. It would be easy enough to have a collar designed to act as a heat sink, maybe even flexible solar panels on the shoulders and back if you want to be really self-sufficient.
Frankly, we have the tech to do this today, Disney has systems like this in the mascot costumes at their parks. it just takes too much power to be efficient in a jacket with current battery technology.
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Frankly, we have the tech to do this today, Disney has systems like this in the mascot costumes at their parks. it just takes too much power to be efficient in a jacket with current battery technology.
Given that Shadowrun has batteries capable of making Pulse Laser weapons a reality... yeah, I think they've got that licked.
I'd say "cool idea" but I'm afraid someone would throw something at me.
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*Throws a handful of dice at JustADude*
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*Throws a handful of dice at JustADude*
*winds up the OED then sighs* Oh well, next time Gadget, next time.
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Hey, who been messing around with thread necromancy again?! >:(
Jeez, I can see one of my Newb level comments in this thread... Like going through my yearbooks...
On topic, I'd go with a set of Globetrotter light armor fatigues, with a Smart Canteen or two. A good set of PPP shin or ankle-guards might help with venomous snakes. A good hat, with some sort of armor in it's lining, would be a must, along with shades. Aviator shades, of cource. :D
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forgive me for stating the obvious, but how about this from arsenal?
Desert Suit: An advanced version of a diving wetsuit, the
sandwiched layers of this suit help to cool the body through heat
dissipation while the refl ective outer surface protects from the sun’s
heat. A hood, facemask, and skin-tight seal keep the
wearer protected from sand. Th e polarizing eye
shield neutralizes glare modifi ers. Th e suit even
captures and distills some of the wearer’s body
fl uids, holding the water in pockets to be drunk
with a straw. Desert Suits cannot be worn with
armor or anything but loose, non-restrictive
clothing, as it impedes the suit’s heat
sinks from working properly. A character
wearing a desert suit receives an additional
+2 dice pool modifi er to desert
Survival Tests (see p. 118, SR4).
add one of these:
Desert Survival Kit: A desert
survival kit is one specially tailored
for hot desert environments. Th ese
kits commonly include items like
matches, fl int (and a saw striker), a
sewing kit, water purifi cation tablets,
a compass, a small metal mirror,
safety pins, a wire saw, snare wire, a
multi-tool, a solar battery charger,
a mini-flashlight (two spare bulbs
and rechargeable batteries), a tallow
wax candle, a windproof butane lighter,
mini-fl ares, three space blankets, a mini-water
fi lter (with three spare fi lters), a folding shovel,
a miniature solar still (half normal results), a
canteen backpack, a mess kit, multi-vitamins,
and a collapsing aluminum cup.
sorted.
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You can wear whatever armor you want. Just drink water. Lots of it.
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Armor Clothes with Carbon-Boron, Delta-Amyloid and Kevlar Threading. Vitals protector, maybe a Form-fitting Shirt.
If my numbers are right that'd be a 14/5 with side order of cheddar cheese.
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forgive me for stating the obvious, but how about this from arsenal?
Desert Suit: An advanced version of a diving wetsuit, the
sandwiched layers of this suit help to cool the body through heat
dissipation while the refl ective outer surface protects from the sun’s
heat. A hood, facemask, and skin-tight seal keep the
wearer protected from sand. Th e polarizing eye
shield neutralizes glare modifi ers. Th e suit even
captures and distills some of the wearer’s body
fl uids, holding the water in pockets to be drunk
with a straw. Desert Suits cannot be worn with
armor or anything but loose, non-restrictive
clothing, as it impedes the suit’s heat
sinks from working properly. A character
wearing a desert suit receives an additional
+2 dice pool modifi er to desert
Survival Tests (see p. 118, SR4).
<snip>
It's a still-suit from Dune, but shiny. Good idea. The only downside is that it doesn't actually provide any armor, can't be worn with armor and turns you into a shiny mylar target in open terrain.
Great if you're lost in the desert, less-so if you're being shot at in the desert. Given which is the more likely scenario for a Shadowrunner...
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Yup, very true! It does say you can wear it with loose fitting clothing, so if your GM is cool with it, buy some special clothing and chuck some delat/kevlar/carbon threading through it.
In the desert, dying of thirst is probably your primary concern, which is what i guess you're most likely to encounter walking through the sand dunes than heavily armed corpsec
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I could see form-fitting being okay for desert wear. It's mostly semi-rigid sections with non-ballistic fabric in between, right? Easy enough to use a breathable mesh fabric like modern BMX armor. Sure it would get sweaty, and maybe a little smelly where the armored sections are, but I doubt it would be unbearable.
Not nearly as much as you would think. Systems like this were proposed with an increasing amount of detail as far back as Robert Heinlein's Starship Troopers (what movie? You speak heresy). It's been expanded on in later sci-fi, and based on the reading I've done on various powered exosuit armor and other heavy-infantry projects I think we're only a few years away from it being deployed now, with the cost-per-soldier being the only real issue (and most of that not even the cost of manufacture, just infrastructure/distribution).
I'd say "cool idea" but I'm afraid someone would throw something at me.
*throws a slushie*
I guess there's really not much need for me to mention the likelihood of armor modified for extreme environments. If it can be done cheaply and at low availability for weapons, why not (if at higher availability) for armor?
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There are a few vest type systems in development or available to be worn under body armor and maintain and conformable core temperature in hot environs while wearing body armor. Simple ones basically just hold gel or ice packs, while others use forced air or thermometric cooling. Seems like something that would be around in Shadowrun, just hang radiator panels on your back outside the armor and your good to go.
Failing all else? There is always just being hot and drinking plenty of water, humans tolerate high heat well.
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Carbon-Boron, Delta-Amyloid and Kevlar Threading.
What are those mods and where are they located? I have seen soft weave in WAR, but that's it.
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They're in Attitude ... I'd question stackability.
If you haven't gone through that, you're also missing out on holowear and a bunch of other stuff.
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I'd say FFBA should be fine provided you don't go over level 2. (level 1 always struck me as something like a wetsuit vest... level 2 like wetsuit vest plus wetsuit shorts in terms of coverage). It wouldn't shock me if FFBA on it's own could be made to look like a swimsuit.
Really... FFBA2 (+3/+1, +1/+0 encumbrance). On top of a softweave armored vest (6/4.. 4/4 encumbrance). Is going to be plenty for all those average body types... and you can wear it under shorts and a shirt without raising any issues.
9/5 armor with only 5/4 worth of encumbrance... leaving a little more space for more.
No I don't think you can stack up all those things from attitude. The best multirole clothing you're going to get is the carbon boron at +1/+2 over armor clothing at 4/0 for 5/2 final. The delta stacks on a bit too much ballistic for comfort at 7/1 if you're trying to cover both bases.
This is also a good case for PPP gear... wear the normal lighter armor... then quickly put on some hockey pad type armor when you need it.
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Isn't clothing supposed to expand/contract or vent/trap heat based on your body temperature, even change colour? I don't see how any armour you take would be exempt from this rule. Wear some Form Fitting Body Armour, and the desert survival suit with snakemesh socks. Make sure your survival suit has Ruthenium polymer coating on it or just wear some loose fitting white cotton clothes over your FFBA instead if the survival suit is too pricy.
In all honesty I don't see how your everyday (Battle)Dress would limit you in some way, it's just that the desert suit and gear help in the given circumstance. Just take the Desert Survival Kit, tent, and thermal air bag, and a couple extra canteens.
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Clothing is designed to be comfortable first, and protect the wearer second. Armor is designed first to protect the wearer, and second to allow comfort. Sometimes that's a distant second. Always has been, always will be. I wouldn't be surprised if in 2074 there's good advances to making armor more comfortable even for longer periods, but weapons and the things armor has to protect you from have also advanced. As a matter of function no armor (except possibly climate-controlled armor suits) will be more comfortable than clothing which is designed to be comfortable even for long-term wear.
I've worn armor of various types for hours on end, and I can tell you this from first-hand experience: it's more comfy than bullets if you're being shot at, but in pretty much all other circumstances it becomes increasingly uncomfortable the longer you wear it in conditions of heat (hot or cold), moisture (rain, humidity), etc.
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I don't doubt your experience, but with the advanced fabrics and memory metals of shadowrun I'm sure that the bottleneck for comfort and protection has been probably been drastically mitigated if not all together bypassed. I mean, when I used to do long distance dirtbike riding I'd be in the full suit from dawn till dusk, and at worst the heat was a nuisance, so long as I kept drinking water, and that's with technology from 10 years ago.
I should hope that carbon nanotubes and other complex ballistic weave armours have become as light weight as that rig by 2070. After all, if it's not comfortable enough to wear it won't protect you. Of course, bullet resistant armour is going to be denser than the plastic, mylar, and nylon that I wore, but I doubt they're nearly as heavy and rigid as the titanium ceramic NXRA armour we have today.