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« Reply #60 on: <04-02-13/1257:26> »
I had a player blow up at the table a few weeks back over the issue of the difference between Police Officers and Private Security.

He thinks/thought that Lone Star had jurisdiction over the entire Seattle Metroplex, including the Extraterriorial Megacorp holdings.

The blow up happened when I conveyed to the party that a missing person's report was not filed with Lone Star for a NeoNET corporate citizen, whom the party was being paid to find, who had gone missing from a NeoNET owned subsidiary medical clinic and that the investigation was likely being handled internally by NeoNET's own security force MinuteMen.

After the fact when the rest of the group came together to discuss the matter, it was agreed that this likely threw a wrench into the players plan to contact his 5/5 Lone Star Police Commissioner contact about every incident of crime happening in Seattle.

Lesson: Kids, don't Meta-game. And if you do, don't freak out when things don't go the way you planned. You'll look like an ass.
Look past the lies, and all the scary stuff that remains is the truth.

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« Reply #61 on: <04-02-13/1607:47> »
I little more than irked about that, nor does Yamatetsu Naval Technologies have its own catalogue in Milspec Tech 1 or 2, and for the most part there's a general lack of european weapons and manufacturers. HK is out there, and there's some Fabrique Nationale but still, I grumble at the lack of Czechnology and X'mash weapons.

So the best idea I have is that Evo just loads their security full of ware.

Eww that`s given me a lovely idea, THANKS. Over a number of weeks I`ll have NPC runner teams limping back from hits on EVO sites wounded and shell shocked with reports of wide eyed... banzai.... tactics from EVO security building up over the space of about 6 months to local Denver/Seattle EVO security teams using MBW 3 and Tac Nets. All because one inspired Exec as a motavational exercise lets the security teams keep the gear and ware they confiscate from shadowrunners they find trespassing. Probably only stopping after an internal audit finds EVO middle managers hiring runners to unknowingly walk into ambushes to better equip his people.
"Hiring a team of runners to steal "research data on a wired only system" 14,000 rest payable on delivery. Getting the Employee Of The Month Wired Reflexes 2, Skillwires 4 and a sweet sweet new bike and watching the workforce productivity shoot up.... Priceless."
An Awful lot of people believe a lot of very strange things indeed for no valid reason I can see. They can`t all be right but it is quite likely they all can be very wrong.

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« Reply #62 on: <04-02-13/1751:54> »
Re: Arms manufacturing, one of the things I want to do is break out a bit, start showing more manufacturers out there.The easiest way, by FAR, is simple name dropping.

Gun Awesome, stats of KABOOM!
Similar models: Shiawase coolgun, Horizon shiny, Aztechnology POS.

Taa-daa. Just like that, you quadrupled your options. I've started doing some early research on existing canon about this. In theory, by the time we get to the next gunbook, we'll be able to share the love s'more.

For now, you can assume that those without their own lines buy from the others. Ares guns in the hands of NeoNET guards? Nobody'll complain. :)

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« Reply #63 on: <04-02-13/1823:26> »
Gun Awesome, stats of KABOOM!
Similar models: Shiawase coolgun, Horizon shiny, Aztechnology POS.
I wanted to do that for the French version of Arsenal, but it didn't make it into the final version. I kept the draft around.

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Light pistols
Ares Light Fire 70 : Baikal PB-4
Beretta 101T : AET NN8, Ares P70, Baihu QSZ-6
Ceska vz/120 : FN/Browning P-9, HK P40X
Colt Asp : Ruger G-60
SA Puzzler : Fleche PC Seraphim
Seco LD-120 : Steyr M3A, Taurus PT-120
Walther PB-120 : Baikal MP-464, Ceska VZK

Machine pistols
Ares Crusader : Colt Rattlesnake
FN 5-7C : HK UCP

Heavy pistols
Browning Ultra-Power : Cavalier Patrol, Ruger SR70
Cavalier Deputy : Colt Naga, Manurhin MR-212
Colt Government 2066 : FN HP-21E, SCK Model 52
Eichiro Hatamoto II : Cavalier XP "Cyber Squad"
HK Urban Fighter : PSV-1 Prividenie
Nitama NeMax : Daewoo DP-590
Savalette Guardian : Ares Fireshield
Walther Secura : FN HP-2 Pro, HK M27 CASSOCOM
Walther Secura Kompakt : Ruger SR68 Defender

SMG
Ares Executive Protector : SA Escort
Beretta Model 70 : Ares S5 Commando, Baihu Type 25
Colt M24A3 Water Carbine : AS-97 Podvodnyy
Ingram Warrior-10 : Baikal PP-250, Esprit T10
Sandler TMP : Ares S5
SCK Model 100 : Ares Spartan II, Esprit T12

Assault rifles
AK-98 : Ares A11G1, Taurus MD-50LE
Colt M22A3 : Daewoo K20
Colt M23 : Beretta AR-170, FN SCAR Mk.20
HK G12A3z : AK-117, IMI Ardon
Nitama Optimum II : Colt M22A1/M26
Samopal vz/88V : Baihu QBZ-61, Esprit FAMAS I2

Sport rifles
Mannlicher Wildhüter : Beretta Regale
Remington 750 : Browning BLR, Verney-Carron Traqueur, Steyr-Mannlicher Classic
Remington 950 : Beretta AL391 Silver, Browning BAR, Verney-Carron Impact

Sniper rigles
Ares Desert Strike : HK MSG-120A2, Steyr-Mannlicher SSG 269
Barret Model 121 : VSSK-62 Vychlop

Shotguns
Defiance T-250 : Beretta 1206FP, Browning Griffin, Franchi Fulmine 12/70
Franchi SPAS-22 : Saiga 12
PJSS Model 55 Shotgun : Demas 1050

Assault cannons
Ares Vigorous Assault Canon : Barret M109A2, Izom KA20

Grenades, mortars and missile launchers
ArmTech MGL-6 : HK Grapi 40
Enfield GL-67 Grenade Launcher : Esprit Argès
M-12 Portable Mortar System : Izom Vizor
Arbelast II MAW Rocket Launcher : Saab-Saaker AT9
Great Dragon ATGM Launcher : 9M303 Kolyma
M79B1 LAW Rocket : RPG-32 Hashim
Phalanx Systems Vogeljäger II Missile Launcher : Esprit Inacos

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« Reply #64 on: <04-02-13/1939:11> »
Great idea Wak and thanks Nath.  Look forward to the next Street Sam Catalogue/Arsenal book.
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« Reply #65 on: <04-02-13/2240:02> »
At some point, Nath, you and I are gonna have to sit down and have a long chat.

Oh yes.

Yes *indeed*.

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« Reply #66 on: <04-03-13/1457:27> »
For the record, some of the guns had additional fluff attached to them, though introducing them in "Similar Models" one-liner wouldn't have allowed to make mention it.

Fleche PC Seraphim (equiv. SA Puzzler): PC stands for "Pistolet Composite". Fleche Armaments was a Cross subsidiary, the Seraphim where Cross spooks, it's equivalent to the SA Puzzler, you connect the dot.

Colt Rattlesnake (equiv. Ares Crusader):  I originally came up with the name for a a gun I drew on a character sketch... in the mid-1990s. It supposedly suffers from an flawed ejection port design that may result some times in injury... as a result of me redrawing that part of the gun several times without achieving a look that satisfied me.

Ares A11G1 (equiv. AK-98): There ought to be an Ares A11 equivalent to the AK-97, but I wouldn't have had the opportunity to introduce it (since the AK-97 is not featured in Arsenal). Ares Small Arms only assault rifles listed were the Alpha and the HVAR, which both include smartlink and special features and cost several thousands nuyen. The A11 would be the rifle Ares sells to Third World armies and the likes (though I guess they could also deliver AK-97 or Colt M-23 when they want to support such local factions for political or economical reasons, and keep a higher quality standard for the Ares brand).

Taurus MD-50LE (equiv. AK-98): Same thing, the standard MD-50 would be equivalent to the AK-97. IRL, Taurus is a Brazilian manufacturer. The MD-50 would be standard issue for eco-terrorists trained in Greenwar-run, Amazonian gov-backed boot camps.
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