[CanRay]

There's also the drunken parties, I found out at GenCon. 

No no no, it was all serious and sober and...

...

I'm sorry, I can't keep a straight face.  I just can't. 

[Lacynth40]

The drunken parties would be fun. But it would also spoil  some things for me.

Also, back to Fastjack. Got some horrible ideas about what's up with him, and where it might be heading. One horrible idea is that FJ is dead. And what we are getting is the shedem messing with Jackpoint. Of course, I'm not sure if Master Shedem can hijack memories, and Alzheimer's is probably the more likely story, but it would just be heart-breaking, and I'm a fan of that. Also, have we all forgotten Capt. Chaos? Too many hints for that plotline to just be a washout. Still, something BEYOND "Jack is getting old" is going on there. Heck, him getting winged by Psychotropic IC may have just been another symptom, not the cause.

[Sichr]

Even Master shedim would be subject to the rule that Spirits are unable to perceive AR or use anything with electronic control system.

[Mirikon]

Even Master shedim would be subject to the rule that Spirits are unable to perceive AR or use anything with electronic control system.

Spirits with the inhabitation power can, I believe. Whether Shedim can or not is uncertain. Their ability is more than normal possession, but less than Inhabitation.

[Ethan]

We're certain that FastJack's not an AI or some sorta eghost right? Old age plus a life of decking will do that to you. Still, I get the feeling that this is Horizon-related.

[Crimsondude]

It's FastJack. Can you be certain of anything?

[The Wyrm Ouroboros]

Oh, I think so ...

[CanRay]

It's FastJack. Can you be certain of anything?

"Always bet on 'Jack."

[Sichr]

Even Master shedim would be subject to the rule that Spirits are unable to perceive AR or use anything with electronic control system.

Spirits with the inhabitation power can, I believe. Whether Shedim can or not is uncertain. Their ability is more than normal possession, but less than Inhabitation.

Nope, that rule apply for both, posession and inhabitation.

A spirit possessing or inhibiting a vessel can do anything
the vessel can do normally. A car vessel can drive and play the
radio, a toaster can make toast, and a dead body without legs can
pull itself along by its arms. By the same token, a gun or magic
lamp cannot move by itself. Spirits cannot perceive or use
aug-mented reality or the Matrix, nor can they understand and use
AR, cybernetic, or electronic controls or interfaces, including
most cyberware. A spirit possessing or inhibitinga vessel is a
dual-natured entity (see p. 294, SR4A), and, among other abilities,
the possessed or inhibited vessel gains the power of immunity to
normal weapons (see p. 295, SR4A).

I do not intent  to be rule nazi, just to prove this lead false so we can look elsewhere

[Sichr]

We're certain that FastJack's not an AI or some sorta eghost right? Old age plus a life of decking will do that to you. Still, I get the feeling that this is Horizon-related.

Now that you say that...what if FastJack is ConsenusJack and he have fun all the time by making fools of us all

[Mirikon]

However, Sichr, check the sidebar on page 100. Hybrids and flesh forms are able to use cyberware, including ones with a DNI.

[Sichr]

I thought that you cannot denny one thing on one page and then allow it on the next one...
until Ive read Shadowrun rules...

Good that I`ve studied sociology, not law. I`ve quetioned to ambivalence of human nature before. Still I don`t see the benefit from it. Lawyers, on the other side, do not understand this ambivalency, but benefit from it without even asking questions.

[carmachu]

I have to say, after rading the book, Harlequin is still my favorite character.

[Crimsondude]

YAY!

[Mirikon]

I thought that you cannot denny one thing on one page and then allow it on the next one...
until Ive read Shadowrun rules...

Good that I`ve studied sociology, not law. I`ve quetioned to ambivalence of human nature before. Still I don`t see the benefit from it. Lawyers, on the other side, do not understand this ambivalency, but benefit from it without even asking questions.

Any rule system will have situations like that, Sichr. It is called the hierarchy of rules. Overall, specific rules > general rules. Meaning that there are some situations that exceptionally are able to do things that are generally not allowed under the rules. In D&D 3.5, an example of this would be a Warlock being able to take 10 on caster level checks, even in combat, or being allowed to substitute a Use Magic Device check for the spells required to craft items, things that few if any other classes are able to do. In that case, the Warlock's class abilities overrule the general rules that you cannot take 10 on caster level checks, and you must know the spell required in order to craft magic items.