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« Reply #15 on: <02-13-12/1858:03> »
I can't give many more details than that, or Bull will wad up NDAs and throw them at me really hard.
Like he needs an excuse to do that....
Sure he does.  Well, at least, when he throws his hardest...

Which means he wads them up and "throws" them out of his Panther Assault Cannon.  :P
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« Reply #16 on: <02-13-12/1943:29> »
Well since the state of the Tir is in a slow collapse in SR, it going to be interesting to see how ti all shakes out. The Pro-Elven racialist faction hooking up with some of the more conservative factions from the Japanese empire should yeild interesting results
Let me just say that if you are correct that the Tír is in a slow collapse, then the pro-Elven groups are doing just fine because they can hang it all around the necks of the two most prominent non-elves in Tír Tairngire.

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« Reply #17 on: <02-13-12/2110:13> »
I can't give many more details than that, or Bull will wad up NDAs and throw them at me really hard.
Like he needs an excuse to do that....
Sure he does.  Well, at least, when he throws his hardest...

Which means he wads them up and "throws" them out of his Panther Assault Cannon.  :P

He has a PAC?!? He told me it was a t-shirt launcher.

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« Reply #18 on: <02-13-12/2335:43> »
Wasn't there something or another about them in the SWA?
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« Reply #19 on: <02-13-12/2347:52> »
Yes. There's an entry on the Tír in 6WA.

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« Reply #20 on: <03-08-12/1742:36> »
Well since the state of the Tir is in a slow collapse in SR, it going to be interesting to see how ti all shakes out. The Pro-Elven racialist faction hooking up with some of the more conservative factions from the Japanese empire should yeild interesting results
Let me just say that if you are correct that the Tír is in a slow collapse, then the pro-Elven groups are doing just fine because they can hang it all around the necks of the two most prominent non-elves in Tír Tairngire.

ooh...what a shock from the Dandylion Kingdom. They blame non-elves for everything bad.

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« Reply #21 on: <03-09-12/0454:04> »
And remember that a political shake-up doesn't necessarily change a whole lot to the dude on the street.  Sure, the old Immortal Elf High Prince Muckety-Mucks have gotten the boot...but so what?  That doesn't mean pro-alven racists that have lived and bred and raised kids in the Tir for decades are going to suddenly be all nice to humans and orks and stuff, does it?  If anything, there's room for backlash.  The more racist of the "old school" Tir citizens are probably grouchier than ever about an ork being their High Prince, looking wistfully back at the "good old days" when elves ruled over elves, and blah blah blah...making them more likely to be dicks to some visiting human shadowrunner, in my opinion.

It sucks that the details aren't out and canon yet, but there's still plenty of room in Tir Tairngire's shadows for a GM that wants to have some fun there.  Hell, I've  been faking it (even just in my fanfics) since the changes happened six, seven, years ago real-time.

Well, from what I remember it seemed that this Elven-only doctrine and Isolation politics was the cause of some uprising and coups. So I doubt that people (even Elven) will turn into what they were fighting against previously...but I may be completely wrong, remember this only sporadicaly...

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« Reply #22 on: <03-09-12/0645:57> »
The cause of the uprising was that the majority of the population was in crushing poverty, I believe, while the upper class were incredibly wealthy. At the moment, the pro-elven racists are going against the anti-human racists, and the old Princes may not be in the limelight, but anyone who thinks they aren't pulling strings behind the scenes is either naive or ignorant. These are, after all, the same people who convinced the NAN to accept elves as a tribe, and then to 'encourage' metahumans to go to this one section of the SS lands, and then manipulated orders in every megacorp to launch a network of satellites that broadcast an override code that declared their new land, while getting themselves a sizeable military force at the same time, without raising any red flags. So let's just assume they have some contingency plans in place, yes?
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« Reply #23 on: <03-09-12/0802:58> »
Like I say, i remember too little to see the pattern, planning to read Tir Tairnige SB sometimes, well I dont even manage to read all new stuff I need for current gameplay :P

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« Reply #24 on: <03-09-12/0908:40> »
I like to look at things from an historic perspective.  The Great Ghost Dance was devastating not just to the then USA, but also to the Native Americans in that area... An area that had most of the US reservations.  That sacrifice would have been acceptable if NAN stayed whole, but it fragmented rapidly.  The Salish took the short end of the stick, having taken the most casualties from the eruptions and they likewise got the devastated areas (including what is now Tir Tairngire and maybe Tsimshian?).  Years later in what I am sure was an unpopular political decision, the Salish invited metahumans into their territory to bolster their population.  What isn't mentioned is that they also brought in a large population of the Crow (who are NOT indigenous to the Puget Sound area) from the Sioux territories.  Note that the Sioux (Lakota) and Crow never got along well. 

These new peoples got placed... you guessed it... right where all the eruptions occurred, giving them jobs in environmental clean up.  At first, I'm sure they were homogenized, but in short order the immigrant Crow reformed their own communities and power base to the north end of the Cascades.  Then the elves and trogs split apart on a schism about protecting the environment and raping it for all its worth.  Even later, self entitled elves staged a coup and secured TT for themselves.

If the Salish had only welcomed the trogs (arguably the most oppressed meta group) things would have shaken out like the Antebellum South.  The Salish don't actually have a problem with slavery.  Without the Crow and Elven instigators, the homogenized trogs would never have developed their own identity.


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« Reply #25 on: <03-09-12/1756:05> »
And remember that a political shake-up doesn't necessarily change a whole lot to the dude on the street.  Sure, the old Immortal Elf High Prince Muckety-Mucks have gotten the boot...but so what?  That doesn't mean pro-alven racists that have lived and bred and raised kids in the Tir for decades are going to suddenly be all nice to humans and orks and stuff, does it?  If anything, there's room for backlash.  The more racist of the "old school" Tir citizens are probably grouchier than ever about an ork being their High Prince, looking wistfully back at the "good old days" when elves ruled over elves, and blah blah blah...making them more likely to be dicks to some visiting human shadowrunner, in my opinion.

It sucks that the details aren't out and canon yet, but there's still plenty of room in Tir Tairngire's shadows for a GM that wants to have some fun there.  Hell, I've  been faking it (even just in my fanfics) since the changes happened six, seven, years ago real-time.

Well, from what I remember it seemed that this Elven-only doctrine and Isolation politics was the cause of some uprising and coups. So I doubt that people (even Elven) will turn into what they were fighting against previously...but I may be completely wrong, remember this only sporadicaly...
Yes, their xenophobia and racism were the cause of some of the uprising. 

That's part of what made Rinelle work where other coup attempts in real life haven't -- everyone with a bone to pick with the Tir government basically grabbed a gun or a bomb, put aside their differences temporarily, and stirred shit up. 

It's part of why the Rinelle also makes so very little sense, too, mind;  but you had a pro-Elven-radical operating in a terrorist cell next to an Orkish mother of eight who wanted government food stamps, getting their orders from a human who wanted an end to institutionalized racism, and then going on a mission alongside a rich Elven nobleman who just wanted the Princes ousted from power so that he could move up in rank and a normal Elven middle-management type that just wanted the next Rite of Progression to happen on schedule, so he could get a better job.

Everyone who wasn't 100% happy with how the Tir government was working was -- supposedly -- on board with the Rinelle ke'Tesrae.  It wasn't like the IRA where it was just the most rabid anti-English and pro-Catholic types, or OWS which has been cheerfully stereotyped as nothing but a bunch of dirty, entitled, hippies.

So...then the Princes are gone, Rinelle has "won," and then what?

Then some of them are happy.  Most of them, even.  The borders are more open, the ports are busier, the economy is getting a little better, there's regular elections, there's greater government transparency, and all that, right?  To some people, they've won.  Life's better.  Mission accomplished.  The status quo is mostly back, but it's improved in enough ways that most of the popular support for this home-grown terrorist group has gone away.

But to the ones like the Black Sun, the Brat'mal, who were the ones bitching because the old Tir government wasn't racist and xenophobic enough?  Yeah, they're still pissed, for instance.  And they're just the most extreme members of a whole demographic slice, remember.

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« Reply #26 on: <03-10-12/0411:08> »
Looking at the Black Sun faction, and remembering a chapter out of Artifacts Unbound (among other things) - makes me wonder if there have been or will be contacts between Brat'mael and ex-Prince Jenna NiFairra. Or something . . .

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« Reply #27 on: <03-10-12/0415:22> »
Looking at the Black Sun faction, and remembering a chapter out of Artifacts Unbound (among other things) - makes me wonder if there have been or will be contacts between Brat'mael and ex-Prince Jenna NiFairra. Or something . . .
Mm-hmm.

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« Reply #28 on: <03-10-12/0426:50> »
Looking at the Black Sun faction, and remembering a chapter out of Artifacts Unbound (among other things) - makes me wonder if there have been or will be contacts between Brat'mael and ex-Prince Jenna NiFairra. Or something . . .
Mm-hmm.

Am I giving you ideas?  ::)

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« Reply #29 on: <03-10-12/0438:04> »
Looking at the Black Sun faction, and remembering a chapter out of Artifacts Unbound (among other things) - makes me wonder if there have been or will be contacts between Brat'mael and ex-Prince Jenna NiFairra. Or something . . .
Mm-hmm.

Am I giving you ideas?  ::)
Heh.  No.  Not in the slightest.  Where the Tir is concerned, I've already had the ideas, because it's always been just about my favorite corner of the Sixth World.  Check out the opening fiction from Way of the Adept, for instance, for some stuff tangentially related to Ms. NiFairra and how some Tir elves feel about her.