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« on: <12-31-14/1734:53> »
I've been trying my hand at making a few builds out of Run Faster and have a couple questions that hopefully someone can answer (or at least give their opinion on). 

For infected it says that this occurs at step 4 of character creation.  This is after Magic is chosen, so does that mean that if I took Priority A for magic, and then took the Vampire quality - my magic and essence would go down to 1 each at the beginning of play?  Or do I keep the 6 in each assuming that they have fed at some point before play starts.  Seems to be a hefty tax there if not- might actually make aspected infected viable... actually, can you play an aspected Vampire? 

That brings up my other main hurdle - the qualities that indicate that the subject awakens.  Most give a discount for already being awakened; but for those that are not - what type of awakened would they be?  Full magician, but with no spells and skills from the priority chart?

This is the part where i wish they included an example of character creation for an infected. 

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« Reply #1 on: <01-01-15/0130:10> »
Forget about the fact that there are "steps" in character creation. Very few things matter by them, and very few builds follow each step exactly anyway (when was the last time you never considered Resources or Skills or being Awakened before you reached their respective steps?) If you took Priority A, you keep your 6 Magic and 6 Essence. In my opinion, you are considered to have been through a feeding or two; while you may be a fairly newly Infected character, you aren't ferally hungry (that is, if you are creating an Infected character, if you get Infected during play, all bets are off).

Yes, you can play an Aspected Vampire. Some, like Mutaqua and Nosferatu, require you to become a specific type of Awakened.

When you Awaken, you do not automatically become a magician, aspected magician, adept, or mystic adept. You simply gain a Magic attributes and "unlock" natural powers. Should your Magic ever fall to 0, you lose all use of your natural powers. The only exceptions are those like the Mutaqua, Nosferatu, and Wendigo, which specifically state that they Awaken as certain types.

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« Reply #2 on: <01-01-15/0216:02> »
If it doesn't give a discount for already being Awakened, then you don't Awaken magical talent automatically.  All a Magic Attribute does at that point is factor in for some of your powers.  The only Infected that automatically Awaken are Mutaqua as adepts and Wendigos/Nosferatu as mages (and, if they were already Awakened as the other type of magic user, they become a mystic adept).  If you don't start with the Priority, then you'd be spell-less and skill-less, sans spent points from Skills/Karma.  Adepts get a much easier time, as they just get power-points equal to their Magic (only mutaqua become adepts automatically, so it's a little bit fairer). 

As far as where your Essence sits at the beginning of play, that's all up to what you work out with your GM.  Do they let you spend some of your down-time feeding?  Do you want to drain Essence?  That's very situational.  Keep in mind, that's for HMHVV I victims; they have variable Essence and the Essence Drain power, whereas HMHVV II & III strains just lose a point of Essence automatically as a part of their transformation (they start at 5). 
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« Reply #3 on: <01-03-15/0930:44> »
Let me get some caffeine in me and such-like, and I'll see if I can answer you effectively. Brain's still kinda marshmallow-like at the moment.
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« Reply #4 on: <01-03-15/1303:14> »



Would a Soykaf addict who gets Infected and becomes a vamp prefer to prey on Heavy Soykaf users to get both his blood and caffeine fix seeing as he can't drink straight soykaf any longer? :P

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« Reply #5 on: <01-03-15/1306:59> »
Would a Soykaf addict who gets Infected and becomes a vamp prefer to prey on Heavy Soykaf users to get both his blood and caffeine fix seeing as he can't drink straight soykaf any longer? :P

... I don't think there are words to describe how I felt when I read that. Just ... wow.

What about mixing blood and soykaf? You can't digest soykaf, but you can digest blood. Maybe mixing the two will sneak it past your system's defenses?

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« Reply #6 on: <01-03-15/1403:47> »
Would a Soykaf addict who gets Infected and becomes a vamp prefer to prey on Heavy Soykaf users to get both his blood and caffeine fix seeing as he can't drink straight soykaf any longer? :P

... I don't think there are words to describe how I felt when I read that. Just ... wow.
Actually it is not so odd.  Remember they are not true walking corpse, more just transistioned, and addictions can be as much psychological as physical.  Eventually the Red Thirst pretty much eclipses everything else, but initially one would expect some of the old vices to linger a while.
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What about mixing blood and soykaf? You can't digest soykaf, but you can digest blood. Maybe mixing the two will sneak it past your system's defenses?
Unfortunately I don't think a simple mix would go down well or stay down.  If I throwup everytime I eat broccoli but not when I drink a milkshake I probably can't make a broccoli milkshake as I would probably still have the vomit reflex. Though maybe a certain ratio could be ingested without immediate reflux but a vamp would pay for it sooner or later I imagine.
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« Reply #7 on: <01-03-15/2021:52> »
Let me get some caffeine in me and such-like, and I'll see if I can answer you effectively. Brain's still kinda marshmallow-like at the moment.
I take your silence for "Formulating a satisfactory answer takes way longer than I anticipated". :)

I don't think you can thin Soykaf with blood to make it Vampire-Compatible.
You could enrich a specimen with a lot of Soykaf before your meal, however.
Maybe you could inject raw caffeine into a bloodpack? Same deal. Patches could work.
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« Reply #8 on: <01-04-15/1753:41> »
Okay, that didn't work out quite the way I'd planned....

For infected it says that this occurs at step 4 of character creation.  This is after Magic is chosen, so does that mean that if I took Priority A for magic, and then took the Vampire quality - my magic and essence would go down to 1 each at the beginning of play? Or do I keep the 6 in each assuming that they have fed at some point before play starts.
When you're building a Strain I Infected character from scratch, you start with (starting Essence) - 1 and (starting Magic) - 1, with a minimum Magic of 1; you're assumed to have been Infected for a little while, though you're still a basic newbie and a little hungry. You can get that Magic point back using the rules on page 141; it's not really lost, just blocked off.

If your character isn't Awakened, your Magic is set at 1. I didn't make this as clear as I should have on page 141, and I'm sorry (though it is mentioned in the disease description for HMHVV Strain I on page 142; I should have at least pointed you there on page 141).

Strain II and III Infected start with their Essence and Magic at one less than when they started, per the rules on page 141. If they don't start out Awakened, then their Magic is also set at 1.
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Seems to be a hefty tax there if not- might actually make aspected infected viable... actually, can you play an aspected Vampire?
Absolutely, if you choose to do so and that's where you put your Magic priority. I'd love to see some examples of aspected Infected if people wanna put up some of those builds. They sound like they could be fun.
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That brings up my other main hurdle - the qualities that indicate that the subject awakens.  Most give a discount for already being awakened; but for those that are not - what type of awakened would they be?  Full magician, but with no spells and skills from the priority chart?
Only three of the Infected types automatically Awaken as some form of magician: mutaqua, nosferatu, and wendigos. That's why they offer a Karma discount if you're already magically active. I might have phrased that better; sorry.

None of the others automatically make you some sort of magic user, though there is a possibility of that. The chargen rules assume you were either Awakened going in, or the virus Awakened you as part of your back story. If you contract the virus during play, you might Awaken as a magic user at the GM's discretion, but I didn't have room to include specific rules for this. Kevin and I are pitching a "Way of the Infected" type e-book which would have a lot of the more advanced stuff...like Awakening as a result of Infection.
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This is the part where i wish they included an example of character creation for an infected.
I wish we'd had space to do one, but Kevin and I were both up against it in terms of word-count. In retrospect, I wish we'd asked for a little more space, but then something else would have had to be cut.

That said, I'll try to put one together and post it here in the near future.

Would a Soykaf addict who gets Infected and becomes a vamp prefer to prey on Heavy Soykaf users to get both his blood and caffeine fix seeing as he can't drink straight soykaf any longer? :P
Well, that's how I'd do it, but your mileage may vary. I think I mentioned in fiction somewhere about an alcoholic vampire who prays on drunks, but I might have just imagined that.

I take your silence for "Formulating a satisfactory answer takes way longer than I anticipated". :)
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I don't think you can thin Soykaf with blood to make it Vampire-Compatible.
You could enrich a specimen with a lot of Soykaf before your meal, however.
Maybe you could inject raw caffeine into a bloodpack? Same deal. Patches could work.
You're right about the mixing. I'm not positive about patches....
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« Reply #9 on: <01-04-15/2058:50> »
Thanks Patrick, that really helps. 

What you said is close to how I envisioned it working out.  An infected e-book would be amazing!  Especially if it included what's going on for infected in Azmondo and other parts of the world. 

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« Reply #10 on: <01-05-15/2357:34> »
I like to say the blood needs to be "seasoned" by whatever the vampire's choice poison is in the host before being extracted. For example, feeding on someone who is enjoying the kaf buzz, or novacoke, or whathaveyou. Some rich vampires no doubt keep stables of people they have fed in very particular ways. The foie gras for vampires and ghouls. Some upcoming fictions will detail something very much in that vein (OH THE PUNS, THEY ARE KILLING ME).

This opens up some interesting Addiction options for your Infected characters.

I'm currently working on a few Infected Builds or pregens that demonstrate some of the additional rules we're considering, see how they fly. Some of these ideas will greatly broaden the abilities of Infected, assuming the player wants to spend the karma and meets prereqs. This is all very drawing board stuff right now, though.
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« Reply #11 on: <01-06-15/0050:28> »
I like to say the blood needs to be "seasoned" by whatever the vampire's choice poison is in the host before being extracted. For example, feeding on someone who is enjoying the kaf buzz, or novacoke, or whathaveyou.
Glad to see you and Patrick think it is a viable idea.

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Some rich vampires no doubt keep stables of people they have fed in very particular ways. The foie gras for vampires and ghouls.
May have to add this to my MetaCooking  section.
I had limited the concept  of a vamp feeding off a particular subset (for example soykaf drinker) to just feeding an existing addiction, when it really is widening one's palate.
And for ghouls that is also a consideration as a number of compounds might affect the flavour of the meat and brain in particular.

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Some upcoming fictions will detail something very much in that vein (OH THE PUNS, THEY ARE KILLING ME).
Yes, I can see we will get along just fine. :P
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This opens up some interesting Addiction options for your Infected characters.
Jonesing for Junkies, gotta love it. ;)
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I'm currently working on a few Infected Builds or pregens that demonstrate some of the additional rules we're considering, see how they fly. Some of these ideas will greatly broaden the abilities of Infected, assuming the player wants to spend the karma and meets prereqs. This is all very drawing board stuff right now, though.
Look forward to seeing these down the road.
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« Reply #12 on: <01-06-15/0315:58> »
There is a minor point of contention regarding vampires and their immunity to toxins. I consider drugs and alcohol to be toxins (Not a political stance, purely a biological one), and while "immunity" really just means "super hard resistance to", it could theoretically take a preposterous number of lethally-dosed victims to get a vampire high or drunk or even kaf buzzed. Patrick and I have discussed making it possible for toxins to subvert that immunity if they are ingested through blood, in which case it works.

Some folks might argue the point. I'm not sure where we stand, officially, but I house-rule it along those lines. Vampires have a much easier time getting drunk with magic than packing poor sods full of synthahol.

Of course, there are certainly some Alchemists who will take the time to find new permutations of blood, infected and not, for their own benefit and that of interested clients...

And there will be plenty of other Infected who aren't concerned with the special effects of spiked blood as much as a more mundane concern for flavor. Some may prefer a metatype, or fitness, or a particular diet. Corn-fed beef is fantastic: might as well apply it to people, too. ;)

Any thoughts, Patrick?
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« Reply #13 on: <01-06-15/0642:02> »
Corn-fed beef is fantastic: might as well apply it to people, too. ;)
Hah, that's a hilarious way of looking at it. Corn-fed human... Hehehe.

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« Reply #14 on: <01-06-15/1158:20> »
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