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Why is Corporate SIN worth 25 Karma ?

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The Wyrm Ouroboros

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« Reply #105 on: <12-13-14/0532:27> »
Hey, just because I'm a hardcore pro black trenchcoat player doesn't mean my builds can't throw down and kick the asses of any ultra-brilliant-pink mohawk character or situation.  ;)
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« Reply #106 on: <12-13-14/2157:22> »
Yep I tend to look at Sony for the corporate Sin rather than one of the big 10 and really consider the following reasons for why your corp kicked you to the curb but still collect taxes . . .

1) Diverted food stores to feed an old friend only to find out you were duped by them and it was actually a valuable resource they were selling to another corp. They're dead and your on the outs till you (a) pay back the cost to the company (10% taxes) and (b) prove you've learnt not to be so trusting.

2) Your one of the elite and a position in the upper echelons is about to open, to earn it the bored board have issued a competetion all 45 contestants have to spend time on the streets no money, no tech beyond what they already have (starting resources) and the first one to earn X amount of funds gets the position while the rest get their sins burned and are cast out forever.

3) Your a dedicated focused employee and some of the higher ups decided to use you for a bet. They arranged things so you and some random sinless get your lives swapped. They get your house, your money, your job etc while you get tossed to the curb as an experiment to see what happens.

4) Your a small cog in a big machine and spent years embezzling small amounts of funds and comiting fraud because you genuinely sympahthize with the SINLESS and were using the funds to finance hostels and other care for them till you got caught. The corp decided to toss you to the curb till you payed back what you'd embezzled but didn't feel you were worth pursuing beyond that as in the grand scheme of things you'd embezzleed less than 0.056% of its net profit.

5) You were a loyal dedicated employee till a loved one was sacrificed (figuratively or literally) as part of corporate mauneverings. Now your out to get revenge but your biding your time, gaining the skills and allies you need, making them feel you don't hold a grudge etc in order to keep your corporate SIN valid and clean till you can use it to bring down the heads of the corp or at least hurt them.

6) You were a minor corp employee who nevertheless did sensative work e.g. data security or the like and your boss screwed up royally. You had a choice take the fall for them, get a slap on the wrist and in time they'll bring you back or take the fall WITH them and wind up with a criminal SIN and jail time.

7) You were the typical wageslave working and trying to improve things. You made the mistake of telling a supervisor their idea was not only stupid but recklessly dangerous (politely) because you believed they were merely ignorant of the nature of the work (trained as a manager rather than a technician). Their response was to get you put on essentially permanent unpaid leave for "stress and depression". Now your starving, desperate, hate the corp but still have a legal SIN because your on "leave" rather than "fired" or "transferred".

All of these are reasons you could have a corporate SIN and all if found out could generate a range of responses from "I remember you, that money you gave Father Tom paid for my wifes surgery and saved her life" through to "You bastard you planned to take us for everything you could then sell us out."

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« Reply #107 on: <12-14-14/1331:30> »
Sengir, I'm curious if you feel that the Big Eight from first edition should still be around, too.  We've got new corps, it's now Big Ten, there has been multiple Crashes, and a LOT of other things have happened (all because of the mega corps).  Add to all the bad behavior the corps have had for the last 25 years, the disparity between the rich and poor has gotten greater too.  So if you honestly think that the public opinion of the corps hasn't soured or changed in 2. Years...  well, I think you're playing a different game than the rest of us.
Wow, really? You asked me to prove that the dislike for SINners is new, I deliver, and now you try to mangle that into me demanding that nothing could ever change? Is that your submission for the Dumbest Strawman of the Year award, or are you just too craven to concede the point and not creative enough for an even remotely dignified comeback?

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« Reply #108 on: <12-14-14/1447:28> »
You delivered?  You did no such thing.  You pointed at archetypes that have only a peripheral bit of content that is relevant to the question I asked.  The hate for SINners has been around since the beginning.  1st edition didn't have qualities to record that fact though.  3rd edition did, as did 4th edition, and now so does 5th edition.  There's nothing "new" about a quality that has existed (in one form or another) for the last 12 years.

Additionally, you decided to wait...  2 and a half weeks or so to reply to me about this?  I considered this a dead issue, and now you not only come back but you decide to personally attack me by calling me craven?  Your behavior is inexplicable.
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« Reply #109 on: <12-16-14/1325:01> »
You delivered?
I posted references to books supporting my point. You keep stamping your feet and insisting that things are the way you say. So I guess in a way both of us delivered, it's just a matter of which type of argument one prefers...

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Additionally, you decided to wait...  2 and a half weeks or so to reply to me about this?
One week in Earth days. I don't F5 this forum constantly, and in between KageZero got a little ticked for me pointing how loyal party people get more leeway than others.

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« Reply #110 on: <12-16-14/1415:00> »
Uh ... really?  Just went back over the thread, and you posted no references to books supporting your point, Sengir.  You haven't delivered at all, just said 'Former Company Man' and '/dev/grrl' are examples of people not hating SINners.  Seriously, the position you've taken is utterly and completely incorrect - especially when you consider that distrusting corporate shills / loyal corporate people / people who still have ties (like valid SINs) to a corporation has been a part of the concept since day one.  FORMER Company Man.  And you don't see even /dev/grrl broadcasting her corporate ID when she's in the shadows, do you?

Distrust, dislike, and the occasional quiet disposal of corpers has existed since the first printing of first edition - because the cyberpunk source material it pulls from has the severely underprivileged people severely disliking their corporate overlords.  This ain't new.  The QUALITY is new - but the distrust isn't.
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« Reply #111 on: <12-16-14/1547:15> »
One week in Earth days. I don't F5 this forum constantly, and in between KageZero got a little ticked for me pointing how loyal party people get more leeway than others.

Who the hell is KageZero?  And what on earth are you talking about with "party people"?  I feel like this is referring to something totally unrelated.
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« Reply #112 on: <12-16-14/2248:29> »
Another one for you Senko.

A big shot had a skeleton in the closest that he needs someone to run some dirty jobs for him. You are officially cast out but he is keeping you well fed and well armed as a runner.

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« Reply #113 on: <12-16-14/2332:16> »
Distrust, dislike, and the occasional quiet disposal of corpers has existed since the first printing of first edition - because the cyberpunk source material it pulls from has the severely underprivileged people severely disliking their corporate overlords.  This ain't new.  The QUALITY is new - but the distrust isn't.

The general distrust and dislike isn't new, but the death sentence that happening to have been born to corporate parents is a new addition.
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« Reply #114 on: <12-16-14/2356:58> »
It's not a death sentence to be corporate-born.  It can happen, sure.  But that's hardly a death sentence.
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« Reply #115 on: <12-17-14/0702:47> »
  And you don't see even /dev/grrl broadcasting her corporate ID when she's in the shadows, do you?
To be fair I think people get confused on that point about /dev because her fellow Jackpoint members know her parents are corp type, which should mean she has some kind of Corp related SIN as well, especially if any saw the SafeHouse's file where she mentions they are off on corp endorsed trip.  But meeting anyone outside Jackpoint? She would be running a Fake like anyone else.

 I hardly imagine her broadcasting her Corp SIN that time she caught Kane out at the poker table, for one she would never have made it that far into the dive, plus even if she had I do not doubt he would well have taken her head off right there rather than give her the chance to see what she was up to that he did...

Yes, she got the drop on him and he admitted he was a bit buzzed so not at 100%,but that would have changed fast had he suddenly seen it was a Openly Corp Puppy aiming a cannon at him. 
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« Reply #116 on: <12-17-14/0830:53> »
Thread locked, warnings sent.

And KageZero is me. Sengir seems to think that using my old Dumpshock handle will rattle me. Poor little thing. ;)

And Sengir, I don't cow to "party people". You can ask Wyrm, Namikaze, and A4BG, they've all felt the ban hammer in their time here.