[Tarislar]

Looking for opinions on some variable decisions I'm making for a character for Chicago Season 5.

All other things being equal.... Cash-A,  Skills-B,  Magic-E,  the big debate I'm working on is Attributes v/s Race & the 3 options I have.


1.  C-Ork-0  &  D-Attr-14
2.  C-Attr-6  &  D-Human-3
3.  C-Human-5  &  D-Attr-14


I forget the command to align these columns so I think this will be messy, but the variable stats come out to look like this.

                          ORK         HUM1         HUM2
BODY                 5                    3                 3
AGILITY         1  [RA9]         1  [RA9]         1  [RA9]
REACTION                 2  (5)         2  (5)         3  (6)
STRENGTH        3  [RA11]      1  [RA9]         1  [RA9]
WILLPOWER      5            5                 5
LOGIC                 5  (7)          6  (8 )         6  (8 )
INTUITION              5              5                 2
CHARISMA              1              1                 1
EDGE                     2                 5                7
PHYSICAL LIMIT      5 (6)      3 (4)         3 (4)
MENTAL LIMIT        7 (8 )      8 (9)         7 (8 )
PHYSICAL DAMAGE   11         10         10
OVERFLOW                5         3         3
KARMA TO SPEND     29         39         39


Certain cyberware & Karma is a given.
Tricked out Rt.Arm,  Cerebral Booster-2,  Used-Reaction Enhancers-3
Gearhead for all & Edge-2 for the Ork.


I'm debating the better physical stats of the Ork v/s the extra Logic & Edge of the Humans, and then for the 2 Humans debating 2 Intuition v/s 2 Edge.


Thoughts & Opinions please, but I already realize its Min-Maxed w/ dump stats, what can I say, its a Rigger, he won't be "Running" anywhere.

[ZeldaBravo]

If you are not concerned about running then why don't go dwarf? It is a kind of a middle ground between options 1 and 2. And I would choose a metahuman C attributes D for a rigger any day. I am surprised that your reaction is so low though, reaction and logic are the most important stats for a rigger.

[8-bit]

I would also recommend pucking a dwarf. Dwarf pretty much gives you free attribute points (covers Body and Strength, partially covers Willpower) which makes it possible to actually fit everything you need into D attributes.

[Tarislar]

Hmm, I hadn't thought about Dwarf.  I'll look into that option & compare.  As for why, I avoid those Lifestyle cost penalties when I can, unless I'm having to create Troll Mountain for a character.
The Edge & Resistance however could be interesting. 

Following the same basic concept it would look something like this.....

Bod-3
Agi-1  (9)
Rea-3  (6)
Str-3   (11)
Will-5
Log-6  (8 )
Int-5
Cha-1
Edg-3
PL- 4 (5)
ML - 8 (9)
PD - 10
OF - 3
Karma-2-Spend - 24

Okay, that is a worthy 4th option to look at for sure.

As for the reaction thing, He's a Drone-Swarm Rigger v/s a Race Car Driver, so combining that with VCR bonuses & the Enhancers makes me think most of his rolls will be doable even on a mid level dice pool.

[Malevolence]

If you are not concerned about running then why don't go dwarf? It is a kind of a middle ground between options 1 and 2. And I would choose a metahuman C attributes D for a rigger any day. I am surprised that your reaction is so low though, reaction and logic are the most important stats for a rigger.

I'd actually rate Logic and Intuition higher than Reaction. When jumped in, your target numbers are so low (due to the control rig) that you don't need much of a dice pool. The hit to Initiative and Defense can be compensated by a higher Intuition, that helps with more stuff besides. If you don't jump in, choosing to control drones via AR/VR or commands, then Reaction and piloting skills are more important, but other than chases and stunts, you'll be using Logic (or Agility) with Gunnery and Agility for Stealth. Point being, Reaction + Piloting skill will tend to come up rarely, though you may not want to go too low as those edge cases may prove critical (especially chase scenes). Basically, a Reaction of 3 is probably adequate, and I'd probably take Wired Reflexes (at a lower rating) over Reaction Enhancers for the bonus to meat Initiative, unless you spend the vast majority of your time in VR.

[8-bit]

Unless you plan you plan to do stunts from a Michael Bay movie, Reaction 4+ (after 'ware) with a rating 2 rig should allow you to do 95% of things with ease. Drone swarm riggers probably do not need to jump in too often, as you can remote control your mini army without needing to.

[Shrazkil]

Dwarf setup looking like the best option to me, though maybe wired reflexes instead of synaptic so they stack.

[Tarislar]

Made a few tweeks & added in some of the purchasing items at the bottom.
Should have better Reaction for most now, I was used to pushing Intuition for the Perception bonus but he'll mostly be using Sensor Ops.

The Attributes, Contacts, CyberArm (& Skill) vary a bit for each..
I'm leaning towards the Dwarf or Human-A but left the Ork & Human-E in there to compare.
Please let me know what you think

Chicago Rigger                                                    
                                                    
Stat/Race           Human-A           Dwarf                   Human-E           Ork
                                                    
Body           3           3                   3           5
Agility           1 - RA9           1 - RA9                   1 - RA9           1 - RA9
Reaction           4*6           5*7                   2*4           4*6
Strength           1 - RA3           3 - RA11                   1 - RA3           3 - RA11
Willpower           5           5                   5           5
Logic           6*8           6*8                   6*8           5*7
Intuition           3           3                   3           3
Charisma           1           1                   1           1
                                                    
Edge           5           2                   7           1
Initiative           9+1d           10+1d                   7+1d           9+1d
Dodge           9           10                   7           9
C-Armor           1           0                   1           0
                                                    
P-Lim           4           6                   3           6
M-Lim           8           8                   8           8
S-Lim           3           3                   3           3
                                                    
D-Boxes           10           10                   10           11
S-Boxes           11           11                   11           11
Overflow           3           3                   3           5
                                                    
Group - Electronics           5           5                   5           5
Automatics - Machine Pistols           6 +2           6 +2                   6 +2           6 +2
Elec. Warfare - Sensor Ops           6 +2           6 +2                   6 +2           6 +2
Gunnery - Ballistic           6 +2           6 +2                   6 +2           6 +2
Piloting Aircraft - Remote Ops           6 +2           6 +2                   6 +2           6 +2
Piloting Groun Craft - Wheeled           2 +2           2 +2                   2 +2           2 +2
Exotic Melee - Monowhip           6           0                   6           0
Unarmed Combat           0           6                   0           6
                                                    
Allergy-Moderate-Gold           -10                                         
SINner-National-UCAS           -5                                         
Weak Immune System           -10                                         
Gearhead           11+                                         
Skills           4+                                         
                                                    
Karma Left           35           35                   35           35
                                                    
Planned Usage           -10           -15                   -15           -10
           Agi/Str -2           Edg-3                   Rea-3/5           Edg-2
                                                    
           -25           -20                   -20           -25
           Contacts           Contacts                   Contacts           Contacts
                                                    
                                                    
                                                    
                                                    
                                                    
Mr. Johnson   (Ares)           6*1           6*1                   6*1           6*1
Fixer   ( )           5*2           5*2                   5*2           5*2
Fence/Mechanic (Salvage, Recycling, & Repair Shop)           2*5           2*5                   2*5           2*5
                                                    
Government Official  (Human-A & Ork Only)           4*3                                         4*3
St.Doc  (Human-E & Dwarf Only)                      1*1                   1*1           
                                                    
                                                    
Vehicle Control Rig - 1                                                    
Reaction Enhancers - 2                                                    
Cerebral Booster - 2                                                    
Eyes / Ears           Cyber-2           SGL+Dmp                   Cyber-2           SGL+Dmp
Cyber Arm - Obvious - Used           FingerTip           CyberSpur                   FingerTip           CyberSpur
 All - Agility-6/9, Commlink-Transys Avalon           MonoWhip           ShockHand                   MonoWhip           ShockHand
           Armor-1           STR - 8/11                   Armor-1           STR - 8/11
           SMG                              SMG           
                                                    
                                                    
Huyndai w/ Rigger Controls & Morphing Plate                                                    
Ares "Citi"-master w/ Rigger Controls & Morphing Plate                                                    
Microskimmer *1                                                    
Flying Eye *1 w/ Grenade                                                    
FlySpy *3                                                    
Roto-Drone + Ares Alpha, GasVent-3, ShockPad                                                    
Roto-Drone + Marlin X71, Silencer, ExSmtGun                                                    
Roto-Drone + Springfield M1A, Silencer, ExSmtGun                                                    
Steel Lynx w/ Armitech MGL-12 & Ex-Smtgn/Rngfinder                                                 

Grr, I wish I could make this thing look prettier.  I can't figure out how to make it all line up.

[Shrazkil]

Made a few tweeks & added in some of the purchasing items at the bottom.
Should have better Reaction for most now, I was used to pushing Intuition for the Perception bonus but he'll mostly be using Sensor Ops.

The Attributes, Contacts, CyberArm (& Skill) vary a bit for each..
I'm leaning towards the Dwarf or Human-A but left the Ork & Human-E in there to compare.
Please let me know what you think

Chicago Rigger                                                    
                                                    
Stat/Race           Human-A           Dwarf                   Human-E           Ork
                                                    
Body           3           3                   3           5
Agility           1 - RA9           1 - RA9                   1 - RA9           1 - RA9
Reaction           4*6           5*7                   2*4           4*6
Strength           1 - RA3           3 - RA11                   1 - RA3           3 - RA11
Willpower           5           5                   5           5
Logic           6*8           6*8                   6*8           5*7
Intuition           3           3                   3           3
Charisma           1           1                   1           1
                                                    
Edge           5           2                   7           1
Initiative           9+1d           10+1d                   7+1d           9+1d
Dodge           9           10                   7           9
C-Armor           1           0                   1           0
                                                    
P-Lim           4           6                   3           6
M-Lim           8           8                   8           8
S-Lim           3           3                   3           3
                                                    
D-Boxes           10           10                   10           11
S-Boxes           11           11                   11           11
Overflow           3           3                   3           5
                                                    
Group - Electronics           5           5                   5           5
Automatics - Machine Pistols           6 +2           6 +2                   6 +2           6 +2
Elec. Warfare - Sensor Ops           6 +2           6 +2                   6 +2           6 +2
Gunnery - Ballistic           6 +2           6 +2                   6 +2           6 +2
Piloting Aircraft - Remote Ops           6 +2           6 +2                   6 +2           6 +2
Piloting Groun Craft - Wheeled           2 +2           2 +2                   2 +2           2 +2
Exotic Melee - Monowhip           6           0                   6           0
Unarmed Combat           0           6                   0           6
                                                    
Allergy-Moderate-Gold           -10                                         
SINner-National-UCAS           -10                                         
Weak Immune System           -10                                         
Gearhead           11+                                         
Skills           4+                                         
                                                    
Karma Left           35           35                   35           35
                                                    
Planned Usage           -10           -15                   -15           -10
           Agi/Str -2           Edg-3                   Rea-3/5           Edg-2
                                                    
           -25           -20                   -20           -25
           Contacts           Contacts                   Contacts           Contacts
                                                    
                                                    
                                                    
                                                    
                                                    
Mr. Johnson   (Ares)           6*1           6*1                   6*1           6*1
Fixer   ( )           5*2           5*2                   5*2           5*2
Fence/Mechanic (Salvage, Recycling, & Repair Shop)           2*5           2*5                   2*5           2*5
                                                    
Government Official  (Human-A & Ork Only)           4*3                                         4*3
St.Doc  (Human-E & Dwarf Only)                      1*1                   1*1           
                                                    
                                                    
Vehicle Control Rig - 1                                                    
Reaction Enhancers - 2                                                    
Cerebral Booster - 2                                                    
Eyes / Ears           Cyber-2           SGL+Dmp                   Cyber-2           SGL+Dmp
Cyber Arm - Obvious - Used           FingerTip           CyberSpur                   FingerTip           CyberSpur
 All - Agility-6/9, Commlink-Transys Avalon           MonoWhip           ShockHand                   MonoWhip           ShockHand
           Armor-1           STR - 8/11                   Armor-1           STR - 8/11
           SMG                              SMG           
                                                    
                                                    
Huyndai w/ Rigger Controls & Morphing Plate                                                    
Ares "Citi"-master w/ Rigger Controls & Morphing Plate                                                    
Microskimmer *1                                                    
Flying Eye *1 w/ Grenade                                                    
FlySpy *3                                                    
Roto-Drone + Ares Alpha, GasVent-3, ShockPad                                                    
Roto-Drone + Marlin X71, Silencer, ExSmtGun                                                    
Roto-Drone + Springfield M1A, Silencer, ExSmtGun                                                    
Steel Lynx w/ Armitech MGL-12 & Ex-Smtgn/Rngfinder                                                 

Grr, I wish I could make this thing look prettier.  I can't figure out how to make it all line up.

I still like the dwarf the most.

Couple of questions, no wired or synaptic at all, plans to get later?
For gunnery , will it work with a cyberarm? or would it take the lowest or average? Or is this solely for being jumped in?

[jim1701]

Wired or Synaptic boosters on a rigger is a waste of money IMO.  You get you best bonuses in VR where they do you little good.  Reaction enhancers give the best bang for the buck for a rigger.

Also I noticed a small discrepancy.  National SIN is a 5 karma disadvantage, not 10.

National SIN 5 karma
Criminal SIN 10 karma
Corporate Limited SIN 15 karma
Corporate SIN 25 karma

[Tarislar]

I still like the dwarf the most.

Couple of questions, no wired or synaptic at all, plans to get later?
For gunnery , will it work with a cyberarm? or would it take the lowest or average? Or is this solely for being jumped in?

I think he's growing on me too.  Though the one Human w/ Edge-5 is pretty solid as well.

No Wired or Synaptic.  The Arm & VCR suck up quite a bit of Essence & the Reaction Enhancers don't stack with Synaptic anyway.
Possibly get later if the Missions-5 Campaign opens up access to a cool Beta/Delta Clinic as a Reward or something.
But really as he sits now he's got 2 actions every turn.  It would be hard to get to 3 & hard to get less than 2.
I have not read anywhere that the CA is not compatible w/ Gunnery.

[Tarislar]

Also I noticed a small discrepancy.  National SIN is a 5 karma disadvantage, not 10.

National SIN 5 karma
Criminal SIN 10 karma
Corporate Limited SIN 15 karma
Corporate SIN 25 karma

That was a Copy/Paste error.  It should have read -5

[Michael Chandra]

Human with 5 Edge has 1 nice bonus: You can afford to Blitz important fights for 4 extra Initiative dice, which means nearly-always 3 IPs. Against tough enemies (for example if you ever do Humanitarian Aid) you can then use Full Defense and still have 2 IPs available.

[Hibiki54]

I still like the dwarf the most.

Couple of questions, no wired or synaptic at all, plans to get later?
For gunnery , will it work with a cyberarm? or would it take the lowest or average? Or is this solely for being jumped in?

I think he's growing on me too.  Though the one Human w/ Edge-5 is pretty solid as well.

No Wired or Synaptic.  The Arm & VCR suck up quite a bit of Essence & the Reaction Enhancers don't stack with Synaptic anyway.
Possibly get later if the Missions-5 Campaign opens up access to a cool Beta/Delta Clinic as a Reward or something.
But really as he sits now he's got 2 actions every turn.  It would be hard to get to 3 & hard to get less than 2.
I have not read anywhere that the CA is not compatible w/ Gunnery.

The Cyber Arm is not compatible with Gunnery through a Drone since Drone Gunnery uses Logic instead of Agility.

Gunning a manual turret would be completely viable with a Cyber Arm, though.

[8-bit]

I still like the dwarf the most.

Couple of questions, no wired or synaptic at all, plans to get later?
For gunnery , will it work with a cyberarm? or would it take the lowest or average? Or is this solely for being jumped in?

I think he's growing on me too.  Though the one Human w/ Edge-5 is pretty solid as well.

No Wired or Synaptic.  The Arm & VCR suck up quite a bit of Essence & the Reaction Enhancers don't stack with Synaptic anyway.
Possibly get later if the Missions-5 Campaign opens up access to a cool Beta/Delta Clinic as a Reward or something.
But really as he sits now he's got 2 actions every turn.  It would be hard to get to 3 & hard to get less than 2.
I have not read anywhere that the CA is not compatible w/ Gunnery.

The Cyber Arm is not compatible with Gunnery through a Drone since Drone Gunnery uses Logic instead of Agility.

Gunning a manual turret would be completely viable with a Cyber Arm, though.

Only if you are controlling the manual turret with the one arm. Otherwise you would average attributes for using both arms.