[dmfubar]

Thank you Patrick, I didn't realize that.

...off to take a look!

[Red Canti]

See, I can almost see the PCC giving it's half of Austin to the CAS.  Why?  To cool the anger of the crazy Texans.

Anyone who's willing to do business with the Azzies is not going to be afraid of a few irate rednecks, certainly not to the point of giving up bought and paid for land. Or However the Council acquired it.

[Crimsondude]

Patrick is definitely the go-to guy on Texas in SR, with Critias being a distant second.

[Patrick Goodman]

I am? Good to know....

[Reaver]

I am? Good to know....

<stares at Patrick>

Well???

Spill the beans!

[dmfubar]

See, I can almost see the PCC giving it's half of Austin to the CAS.  Why?  To cool the anger of the crazy Texans.

Anyone who's willing to do business with the Azzies is not going to be afraid of a few irate rednecks, certainly not to the point of giving up bought and paid for land. Or However the Council acquired it.

RC, you obviously don't know Texans that well. 

My friend's father, told me this story when I was a teenager, and I believe him.  Back in the 80's, the U.S. Army did a war game to see how far a communist military force could make it into Texas if it were invaded.  The idea was Cuban forces, supplanted by Russia, invaded Galveston Island and cam straight north towards Houston.  The war gamers concluded that the invading force, including tank units, would only make it half way to Houston before it was incapable of sustaining the invasion.  This was not due to the U.S. military stopping them, but due to civilians using their own resources.

In other words, these irate rednecks had enough guns, ammo, and explosives to stop anyone that pissed them off.   

May be true, may not be, but that does sum up the typical Texans belief right there.

[Crunch]

That's almost certainly made up.

To be specific, there's no record of any excercise of the kind that I can find, and I checked the US Army War College, The US Combined Arms Center, and the Army's History website as well as a number of history databases.
 

[Mirikon]

dmfubar, Ghost Dance says no.

Seriously, though, the PCC may later sell the Texas property to the CAS, but they won't just give it away.

[All4BigGuns]

RC, you obviously don't know Texans that well. 

My friend's father, told me this story when I was a teenager, and I believe him.  Back in the 80's, the U.S. Army did a war game to see how far a communist military force could make it into Texas if it were invaded.  The idea was Cuban forces, supplanted by Russia, invaded Galveston Island and cam straight north towards Houston.  The war gamers concluded that the invading force, including tank units, would only make it half way to Houston before it was incapable of sustaining the invasion.  This was not due to the U.S. military stopping them, but due to civilians using their own resources.

In other words, these irate rednecks had enough guns, ammo, and explosives to stop anyone that pissed them off.   

May be true, may not be, but that does sum up the typical Texans belief right there.

I think the sentiment here should indicate the accuracy of that story well enough.

[WrongConcept]

See, I can almost see the PCC giving it's half of Austin to the CAS.  Why?  To cool the anger of the crazy Texans.

Anyone who's willing to do business with the Azzies is not going to be afraid of a few irate rednecks, certainly not to the point of giving up bought and paid for land. Or However the Council acquired it.

RC, you obviously don't know Texans that well. 

My friend's father, told me this story when I was a teenager, and I believe him.  Back in the 80's, the U.S. Army did a war game to see how far a communist military force could make it into Texas if it were invaded.  The idea was Cuban forces, supplanted by Russia, invaded Galveston Island and cam straight north towards Houston.  The war gamers concluded that the invading force, including tank units, would only make it half way to Houston before it was incapable of sustaining the invasion.  This was not due to the U.S. military stopping them, but due to civilians using their own resources.

In other words, these irate rednecks had enough guns, ammo, and explosives to stop anyone that pissed them off.   

May be true, may not be, but that does sum up the typical Texans belief right there.

That's almost certainly made up.

My granfather was Airforce General in the Venezuelan AirForce, my father is a retired Captain in the Venezuelan Army and one of my uncle is a retired "Cazador" Venezuelan Special Forces translation would be "Hunter" the Force was dissolved but they got confotantions with the FARC and other Guerrilla style paramilitary groups. And i personally have some friends in the National Guard, Army and Navy.

History from a friend in the Guard, an operative was started to enter the "Slums" (im not certain slums is the word, in Venezuela we call them "Barrios" and because they are on the mountains of  "El Avila" or its new/old name "Waraira Repano" they are pretty hard to enter, think of Brazilian Favelas) so they geared up for war, meaning granades, FAL rifle's, machine guns, full body armor and even a lightly armored heavy gunned APC, the result was catastrophic, the  Guard had to back down with fifteen loses to its personell as the whole place took up guns and started shooting at their direction, so don't understimate the danger that sheer stupidity, and firepower that a great deal of inexpirienced people can cause to an invading "army" specially if they have no Air support and/or satellite backup.

[All4BigGuns]

See, I can almost see the PCC giving it's half of Austin to the CAS.  Why?  To cool the anger of the crazy Texans.

Anyone who's willing to do business with the Azzies is not going to be afraid of a few irate rednecks, certainly not to the point of giving up bought and paid for land. Or However the Council acquired it.

RC, you obviously don't know Texans that well. 

My friend's father, told me this story when I was a teenager, and I believe him.  Back in the 80's, the U.S. Army did a war game to see how far a communist military force could make it into Texas if it were invaded.  The idea was Cuban forces, supplanted by Russia, invaded Galveston Island and cam straight north towards Houston.  The war gamers concluded that the invading force, including tank units, would only make it half way to Houston before it was incapable of sustaining the invasion.  This was not due to the U.S. military stopping them, but due to civilians using their own resources.

In other words, these irate rednecks had enough guns, ammo, and explosives to stop anyone that pissed them off.   

May be true, may not be, but that does sum up the typical Texans belief right there.

That's almost certainly made up.

My granfather was Airforce General in the Venezuelan AirForce, my father is a retired Captain in the Venezuelan Army and one of my uncle is a retired "Cazador" Venezuelan Special Forces translation would be "Hunter" the Force was dissolved but they got confotantions with the FARC and other Guerrilla style paramilitary groups. And i personally have some friends in the National Guard, Army and Navy.

History from a friend in the Guard, an operative was started to enter the "Slums" (im not certain slums is the word, in Venezuela we call them "Barrios" and because they are on the mountains of  "El Avila" or its new/old name "Waraira Repano" they are pretty hard to enter, think of Brazilian Favelas) so they geared up for war, meaning granades, FAL rifle's, machine guns, full body armor and even a lightly armored heavy gunned APC, the result was catastrophic, the  Guard had to back down with fifteen loses to its personell as the whole place took up guns and started shooting at their direction, so don't understimate the danger that sheer stupidity, and firepower that a great deal of inexpirienced people can cause to an invading "army" specially if they have no Air support and/or satellite backup.

Oh, I'm sure that some in the small towns here could give some problems to an invading force, but an organized and trained military only making it halfway from Galveston to Houston due to civilian armament is just ridiculous.

Trust me here, as I've been raised in Texas (in a small town) for the vast majority of my life.

[Crunch]

Yep, among other problems with the story (general plausibility, convenience to an identity narrative, complete lack of documentary evidence) that's not typically how civilian insurgency works.

slipped

I'll never be one to question the effectiveness of non traditional military forces, but in this specific case (A Cuban invasion of Texas including support from the Soviets deterred entirely by armed civilians between Galveston and Houston in a US war game) I'd have to see some shred of evidence before I believe it. The record for unorganized civilians stopping armored columns with air and naval fire support on generally flat terrain is such that I have significant doubts.

[WrongConcept]

@All4BigGuns: I will trust you, just don't break my heart!

Yep, among other problems with the story (general plausibility, convenience to an identity narrative, complete lack of documentary evidence) that's not typically how civilian insurgency works.

slipped

I'll never be one to question the effectiveness of non traditional military forces, but in this specific case (A Cuban invasion of Texas including support from the Soviets deterred entirely by armed civilians between Galveston and Houston in a US war game) I'd have to see some shred of evidence before I believe it. The record for unorganized civilians stopping armored columns with air and naval fire support on generally flat terrain is such that I have significant doubts.

I do give you that, if armor or air support is involved then civs won't be able to do much, not many are Tiannenmeng Square Hero's (or suicides depending on your point fo view). And its really hard to stop armor with civilian grade weapons... Altough i did read that in US is legal to buy an own a Rocket Launcher, not the rockets but the rocket launcher yes...

[Critias]

Patrick is definitely the go-to guy on Texas in SR, with Critias being a distant second.

No time for Texas, busy with elves!

[Crunch]

These things don't have ot be exclusive...

Tir Tejas Y'all?