[RHat]

5th ed. p 425:

"Hold-outs can’t take accessories."

Sounds fairly cut 'n dry to me.

Internal smartlink isn't really an accessory.

It is until mods exist in SR5, at least.

[Mäx]

5th ed. p 425:

"Hold-outs can’t take accessories."

Sounds fairly cut 'n dry to me.

Internal smartlink isn't really an accessory.

It is until mods exist in SR5, at least.

Only if your GM is a anal retentive dick.

[RHat]

5th ed. p 425:

"Hold-outs can’t take accessories."

Sounds fairly cut 'n dry to me.

Internal smartlink isn't really an accessory.

It is until mods exist in SR5, at least.

Only if your GM is a anal retentive dick.

Seeing as there's no guaruntee that holdouts are going to be eminently moddable under whatever the new system is, it may be better to go with the way it's intended to work for now.

[Mäx]

Seeing as there's no guaruntee that holdouts are going to be eminently moddable under whatever the new system is, it may be better to go with the way it's intended to work for now.

Where are you getting this intent that internal smartlink that doesn't  go on any of the accessory slots should be counted as being an accessory, it never have been before.

[Csjarrat]

by RAW, internal smartgun is an accessory, its listed in the accessory table and section. RAW also state that holdouts can't take accessories.
I know, i know! but thats what the rulebook says.

i guess they're maybe just too small to take the camera/antenna/sensors etc that normal pistols can take?

[samoth]

This is 100% GM discretion

I pointed it out, so quoting it back at me is a bit rich. Yes, it's GM discretion. If your GM does not allow you to use that rule with skills that come from the same skill group & could logically apply with GM-decided penalties, I'd suggest changing GM.

I didn't mean offense, but you implied that it was a sure thing when it is clearly not.  If your GM allows you to default to Automatics from Pistols, then why would you ever take Pistols as a skill, let alone the Firearms Group?  Seems too OP for me.

[Mäx]

by RAW, internal smartgun is an accessory, its listed in the accessory table and section. RAW also state that holdouts can't take accessories.
I know, i know! but thats what the rulebook says.

Well purely by RAW none of the guns can take internal smartlink, it doesn't go in any of the 3 slots and all the guns strictly list what of those 3 they can take.
But we all know thats not how the rules are supposed to work.

[ZeConster]

Technically, the Mounts section simply says "Hold-outs don't have mounts", so you have 2 different sections trying to say the same thing but contradicting each other on some points, which happens a lot.

[Csjarrat]

actually mate, it says specifically on page 425: "Hold-outs can't take accessories."
this is a much broader statement as it stops you from gyromounting it, concealable holstering it and apparently you cant even take spare clips for them lol.
think that line should be FAQ'd maybe...