[CitizenJoe]

Has anyone come up with a price for fuel?  Gas, Diesel, Methane, Jet, etc.

I looked at the Rigger3 optempo rules but those seem to vary the price by orders of magnitude.  From ¥400/l for jet fuel in a Banshee to ¥0.016/l for regular gas in a Ford Americar.

[JustADude]

I'd personally just hand-wave it, unless the person has a really low Lifestyle for the vehicle they're driving.

[Medicineman]

Handwave it with the Lifestyle and don't make it a Hartwurst 

with a friendly Dance
Medicineman

[CitizenJoe]

A 30 Kiloliter tanker truck is not something I feel comfortable handwaving.

[JustADude]

A 30 Kiloliter tanker truck is not something I feel comfortable handwaving.

Oooooooooh.... you're trying to do it as a commodity, not just fueling personal vehicles. That's the kind of thing you need to mention up front, man. Not only are the prices different when you get up to "by the tanker" sales, but your examples indicated you were looking for "at the pump" rates.

Still, either way, I'd just ball-park it to a nice round number, since I seriously doubt this is happening through legal channels. Makes adding and subtracting for Negotiation hits easier, too. Figure about 150,000¥, retail, for automotive gas, 200,000¥ for "premium" auto-gas or normal aviation gas, and 250,000¥ for "premium/jet fuel" av-gas.

[CitizenJoe]

That's like ¥20 per gallon

[DoubleTap]

That's like ¥20 per gallon

given how current gas prices are going, sounds about right

[CitizenJoe]

IRL, Nitromethane fuel for dragsters costs $900 for a 55 gallon drum... That's still less than $17/gallon.  I'm having trouble figuring out how anyone could operate a gas powered vehicle at those rates.

Anyway, right now, looking at my local gas station, if dollars got converted to nuyen, it's about ¥1/liter.  Compressed Natural Gas (Methane) is about 60% of that.  Diesel is running about 10% more expensive.  Biodiesel (where I can find it) is running about the same price as gas right now.  I don't think biodiesel is going to skyrocket since it is locally produced.

[CanRay]

Petrochem (referred to in 2050-era novels) probably isn't "Pure" refined crude oil by Shadowrun era, but a Petrol/Diesel derivative with a lot of additional chemicals to fill in the rest.

Honestly, modify your vehicle with a Multifuel Modification.  You can run it on anything that burns at that point.  Vegetable oil that you stole from the back of a Stuffer Shack and cleaned through coffee filters would be pretty damned cheap.  And easy to do for Shadowrunners.

[farothel]

IRL, Nitromethane fuel for dragsters costs $900 for a 55 gallon drum... That's still less than $17/gallon.  I'm having trouble figuring out how anyone could operate a gas powered vehicle at those rates.

Anyway, right now, looking at my local gas station, if dollars got converted to nuyen, it's about ¥1/liter.  Compressed Natural Gas (Methane) is about 60% of that.  Diesel is running about 10% more expensive.  Biodiesel (where I can find it) is running about the same price as gas right now.  I don't think biodiesel is going to skyrocket since it is locally produced.

You lucky bastards 
Over here (in Europe) it comes down now to about 1.6€/liter, which is about $2/liter with the current dollar/euro conversion.  So in 2070 with the oil reserves down a price of $20/liter wouldn't be that odd I guess.  More for special fuels (like the nitromethane you mentioned).  On the other hand in the big sprawls cars would be running on electricity from the grid guide net (it's an option on vehicle from Arsenal, to get electricity from the net) powered by cheap fusion plants.  So in cities you would probably not need oil products, at least not if you're trying to blend in and do like all the other wage slaves.

[CitizenJoe]

Plastics are made from oil.

[ArkangelWinter]

Plastics are made from oil.

Currently, yea. I'd hope by 2070 we'll find an alternative

[CitizenJoe]

The same could then be said for gas.

There are a couple ways to go with this, but let me preface this with SR4 skillfully sidesteps all of this by not mentioning fuel economy or even fuel type in vehicles.

1)  Populations crashed to the point that the demand for fuel and plastics were below the supply capacity.  Evidence: VITAS plagues arbitrarily drop population levels to the point that only by the 2060's to 2070's have they finally caught back up to the levels around the turn of the century. 

2)  Alternatives are developed to reduce the demand on fossil fuels.  Evidence: Fusion power switches people to electric cars.  Petrochem still goes into plastics, but plastics become much more recyclable.  This leads to squatters at landfills sorting through the junk for enough recyclables to by lunch.

3) Mass switch from fossil fuel to biomass.  Evidence: food shortages caused by farms being dedicated to fuel crop production.  Soy products become cheap because the oil gets extracted first (for fuel) and then the husks get turned into food.

4) New sources of fossil fuels are found.  Evidence: United Oil is still a major company.  Athabaskan Oil is a big company.  MCT pretty much raped Tsimshian of its resources and left.

I suspect it is some sort of combination of all of that, but that doesn't answer the question of how much does gas cost in Shadowrun? 

[JustADude]

I suspect it is some sort of combination of all of that, but that doesn't answer the question of how much does gas cost in Shadowrun?

Seriously, just go with modern-day prices and convert to nuyen. That's what they give as the rule of thumb for anything not explicitly listed, anyway.

[All4BigGuns]

I suspect it is some sort of combination of all of that, but that doesn't answer the question of how much does gas cost in Shadowrun?

Seriously, just go with modern-day prices and convert to nuyen. That's what they give as the rule of thumb for anything not explicitly listed, anyway.

How about modern prices doubled to account for the inevitable further increase in price gouging on it?