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Underbarrel shotgun for pistols

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« on: <01-31-12/2300:12> »
Alrighty, I've bee thinking about this for a few days now and thought I'd post it for feedback and advice on how to mechanically define it...  In short it is what I've posted up there.  I'll write a blurb as if it were in a book below, but some stuff isn't defined (like damage code) because I'm not too sure where to go with it.  So without further ado:


The underbarrel shotgun attachment for pistols gives police and security forces increased versatility while decreasing the need for larger weapon systems, something critical in an urban warfare environment.  The system runs off of a pistol's powered rail system and requires a smart-gun system on the pistol in order to operate.  The weapon looks like an oblong rectangle, a little larger in both length and width than a 12 guage shotgun shell.  To load the weapon, insert the round directly into the barrel until it clicks into place.  To unload the weapon either use the smartgun system to eject the round or remove the weapon from the powered slide mount and press down on the round until a click is felt and the round is released.  Users are strongly discouraged from using the manual method while the weapon is attached to the powered slide mount.  To fire the weapon, simply use the smartgun system to fire the weapon.  An electrical signal will then ignite the round's propellant.  As the weapon features no ejection port for used shell casings, the weapon only accepts caseless ammunition.  Unfortunately, since the barrel of the weapon is of inconsequential length, the weapon has ranges comparable to those of hold-out pistol, limiting it's usefulness to tight quarters and urban combat.

That's that I suppose....in short:

Requires:
- Smartgun equipped pistol
- Powered Rail System equipped pistol
- Caseless ammo

Range:
- Same as hold-out pistol

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« Reply #1 on: <02-01-12/0030:09> »
As I read it it is just a caseless shell under a pistol?
Will the firering of that shell not develope a lot of heat that is very close to your unprotected hand (or hands if you use a propper two-handed firering style)??

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« Reply #2 on: <02-01-12/0251:46> »
 no work no way the under barrel mod got to be smaller in size so your best option is to go the la mat way
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« Reply #3 on: <02-01-12/0304:44> »
redwolf: Two thinks, one that system is a lot smaller then pistol and secondly it's a new item, so mod rules don't matter anyway.
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« Reply #4 on: <02-01-12/0333:21> »
max yes & no: if he got powered rail it is a mod .second 12 gauge or any shotgun round need  some kind of barrel lengths to work so imo flechette round in underbarrel barrel make more sens allso is it a master key sistem or surprises option ?
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« Reply #5 on: <02-01-12/0644:23> »
for shotguns you use the Longarms skill, how long do you want your pistol to be.... even with a sawed-off...

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« Reply #6 on: <02-01-12/0653:57> »
for shotguns you use the Longarms skill, how long do you want your pistol to be.... even with a sawed-off...

Really, what it is is a slightly-more-powerful version of an underbarrel Ares Viper.
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« Reply #7 on: <02-01-12/0905:29> »
I'd see it work for maybe a single round, possibly two rounds (double barrel).
I think the problem of people here is that the consider it a shotgun, while really it isn't. It's basically just two metal cylinders capable of (barely) fitting in a 12 gauge shell and firing making it explode.
The recoil would be horrible, accuracy even worse, but I could see it working.

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« Reply #8 on: <02-01-12/0915:41> »
Yeah, doing an underbarrel shotgun on a pistol is really only good for a belly gun or a master key idea. And the master key concept works better on an assault rifle, anyways.
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« Reply #9 on: <02-01-12/1249:41> »
I don't see any issue with it, but it would have to be a modification (pistols have no under mount for an accessory version). I can easily see it as a standard issue for KE officers.

Ares Predator IV
-Electric Firing
-Powered Slide Mount (3 slot size)
*Underbarrel Weapon: Single Shot Shotgun
-Electric Firing
-Endoscope
-Flashlight

Carrying a couple Flechette, Shock Lock, APDS, and Ex-Ex shells open up a lot of options (everything from 7P/-5 to 9P/+5 and the ability to open doors fairly easy) for everyday officers.

You can already do it in game without the modification restrictions you place on it (Underbarrel Weapon: Eichiro Hatamoto II).

The Hatamoto II is already a single shot Heavy Pistol that fires a shotgun shell and uses the pistols skill, so its not really introducing anything controversial to the game unless you start adding more ammo and firing modes.

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« Reply #10 on: <02-02-12/0120:26> »
Wouldn't the officers just be carrying a shotgun for those situations or have it in their patrolcar?
A shotgun has the added benefit of an intimidation factor.

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« Reply #11 on: <02-02-12/0123:03> »
Also good for low-lethality rounds like beanbag rounds and such.

Oh, that's IRL.

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« Reply #12 on: <02-02-12/0130:28> »
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« Reply #13 on: <02-02-12/0206:35> »
Also good for low-lethality rounds like beanbag rounds and such.

Oh, that's IRL.

Gel Rounds from a Shotgun, now that'd smart and knock down a troll!
I always think shotguns need more love in SR4, so i statted beanbag rounds as a little better gell rounds.

Bean bag round
Shotgun round intended to disable or stun the person being shot at without killing him.
Bean bag rounds reduce the target’s Body by 3 when checking for knockdown.
Uses same ranges as shot rounds.
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« Reply #14 on: <02-02-12/1915:58> »
The recoil on the weapon would be a real bitch too. Might even break a wrist!
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