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« Reply #15 on: <11-01-11/0220:45> »

As good as Eleanor's article was (she was a pretty good writer for someone who had a Science degree and worked for the ATO), and the Cannon Companion rules were, Kenneth Peters' Cannon Companion Redux was the best tool I found for making guns in SR3, and what I used to create The Streetline Single.

While I appreciate the 'CC Redux' rules, they are an entire revamping, instead of a minor tack-on rule that simply turns a restricted run of weaponry into a new product line (with associated mass-production discounts).  What I wish to ensure is that the weapons that are here are based as closely as possible off canonical SR information.


As you wish.

Isn't that an "Additional Information" credit? ;)
Probably. It's been a while since I cracked the cover on that one.
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And the Cannon Companion rules are good, don't get me wrong, Ken just took it that little bit further. Without your work, he most likely wouldn't have been able to. I miss rules like that in SR4A...
Oh, I'm sure he'd have been able to come up with something. He saw some of the same playtest drafts I did, and he's a sharp guy. He didn't need me to do something for his inner gearhead to take off. :)


Do you happen to know what Ken's working on these days?

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« Reply #16 on: <11-01-11/0339:56> »
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Heavy Barrel no longer does anything for a pistol; reduced weight cannot be combined with ceramic components either.  Very, very expensive, very, very difficult to get a hold of, even despite the (okay, admittedly fuzzy) comment in the fluff about it being kept 'in competition with the main side arms of other nations'.  Is this supposed to be a widely-used piece like that suggests, or a highly restricted one?  Also, why is the CAS producing this directly, instead of contracting it to a weapons manufacturer?

Even with the 0.46 Heavy Pistols price modifier, this thing comes in at a whopping 5660¥.  With a silencer that doesn't work as well (technically) as a normal one, why should I purchase this instead of some other MAD-based weapon into which I could ladle a few relatively inexpensive modifications?
I never noticed that they completely changed the Heavy Barrel mod, a 2073 version would probably replace it with Electronic Firing (RC and quieter). While it isn't written out, someone with Low Frequency hearing should be able to hear a normal suppressed weapon much much easier. I figure that while you can't usually modify ceramic components with reduced weight, guns can come standard bending the rules (glares at Ares Alpha). Its standard issue for stealth operations (mostly special forces), but can stand up to other nations sidearms despite being tuned for silent operation.The fluff was written for 2063. As for the CAS, they were trying to keep the design under wraps.

The bulk of the price is in the modifications (6 x cost since its ceramic). The gun itself I put at 400 (slightly above predator), but with Ceramic Components 3 (2400), Internal Silencer (2400), Smartgun System (2400), Reduced Weight (2400), Melee Hardening (1800), and Heavy Barrel (2400) the gun's base cost is hardly the issue (cost given is actually about 2k less than modifying the weapon yourself to that point). Dropping Heavy Barrel out would lower the price, but I'd probably replace it with Electronic Firing. Its meant to be a high priced piece of equipment. The only other undetectable heavy pistol is extremely hard to get ammo for and cannot be modified at all.
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Again, wildly expensive; I can get four FN HARs for this, and get them twice as fast.  Though they might not fold away like this, they always have those two points of recoil comp.  Not sure if you have the Concealability right; am I correct in believing that you're saying it is naturally more concealable than an SMG, and when folded up it falls between a heavy pistol and a machine pistol in concealability??
The entire point of the gun is concealability, not the recoil comp. The SR3 version had the concealability of a Light Pistol when folded up. Bullpup design allows the whole package to wind up roughly the size of an SMG, but the helical clip largely cuts down the profile. Folding in the stock and grips, it should come out to be roughly the size of a mini-bat and its specifically designed to be worn strapped under the shoulder.

Its not supposed to be a standard weapon, its what high end bodyguards occasionally get issued for those "unarmed" situations.

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« Reply #17 on: <11-01-11/0554:19> »
These are little lacking on the fluff texts deparment as their from my still unfinished gear writeup, but i thought i post these anyway.

Ares Mamba combat rifle
Ares newest entry to the assault rifle market is the big brother of their famous Viper sliver gun pistol.
Can only fire fletchette ammo.
9P(f) +5* SA/BF/FA 50(c) 17R 4500¥
*Resisted with impact armor

Ares DFBP shotgun
This new piece from Ares is a nice addition to shotgun market. It's bullpup desing allows it to be shorter then other similar shotguns(-1 to Concealability) and it's dual tube feed
gives it a very high ammo capasity for a pump-action shotgun.
Std. Upgrades/Accessories:internal smartlink.
7P -1 SA 1 7(m)x2 12R 1850¥

Franchi PA4
A smaller short barreled(-2 to Concealability) cousin of the Franchi SPAS 22 assault shotgun.
Std. Upgrades/Accessories:folding stock, internal smartlink.
7P -1 SA (1) 4(m) 14R 1500¥

THOR PDW
THOR PDW is the latest offering from Ares arms to personal defence weapon market, its mostly marketed toward mercenary and security vehicle
drivers as well as to those bodyguards who need SMG firepower in a small and discreed package.
The THOR features a special chamber system that provides 1 points of recoil compensation, it's also smaller then other SMG:s, add +1 to conceleability.
Can be purchased with an internal smartlink for 5000¥
Std. Upgrades/Accessories:powered folding stock and foregrip
5P - SA/BF/FA 2(4) 50(c) 15R 3800¥
*cannot mount underbarrel accessories.

PJSS Howdah pistol
A short barreled pistol version of PJSS:s famous elephant rifle, marketed as a close range defence weapon for big game hunters.
Both barrels can be shot at once with a +1 DV and a–1 Recoil modifier
8P - SS - 2(b) 14R 4600¥
*Heavy pistol
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« Reply #18 on: <11-01-11/1149:31> »
What I want, and will probably play with when I understand the rules better, is some more ammo for the grenade launchers.

1) Beehive (aka shotgun aka flechette pack)
2) HESH (High Explosive Squash Head) aka barrier buster aka stick-n-boom.
3) HEDP aka AV grenade
4) and maybe the grapnel launcher.

Oh, these are real-world

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« Reply #19 on: <11-01-11/1305:32> »
1) Beehive (aka shotgun aka flechette pack)
Been planning to stat those up when i get some time to do my weapon and ammo listing for 40mm grenade launchers.
With the SR explosive technology 40mm grenades should be quite impressive in power.
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« Reply #20 on: <11-01-11/1408:08> »
Do you happen to know what Ken's working on these days?
I don't know that he's working on anything gaming-related. We don't talk much anymore. Last I heard, he was working on a graduate degree of some sort in Idaho, which his Facebook page seems to back up.
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« Reply #21 on: <11-01-11/1410:49> »
Also, why is the CAS producing this directly, instead of contracting it to a weapons manufacturer?
Like, say, Cavalier Arms...? (Gotta get in the plug where I can....)
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« Reply #22 on: <11-01-11/1412:32> »
That does bring up a good point. What is the likelihood of a future supplement having rules to design our own weapons and armor? And custom drones?
Magic 8 Balls says, "Uncertain."

I don't think there are any immediate plans for such a thing. It is something I'd like to address in my copious unstructured free time, however. Think it would make a smashing ebook.
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« Reply #23 on: <11-01-11/1727:26> »
That does bring up a good point. What is the likelihood of a future supplement having rules to design our own weapons and armor? And custom drones?
Magic 8 Balls says, "Uncertain."

I don't think there are any immediate plans for such a thing. It is something I'd like to address in my copious unstructured free time, however. Think it would make a smashing ebook.
One I would buy in a heartbeat.
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« Reply #24 on: <11-01-11/1740:43> »
Even just an ebook with more mods and accessories would be nice.

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« Reply #25 on: <11-01-11/2007:57> »
That does bring up a good point. What is the likelihood of a future supplement having rules to design our own weapons and armor? And custom drones?
Magic 8 Balls says, "Uncertain."

I don't think there are any immediate plans for such a thing. It is something I'd like to address in my copious unstructured free time, however. Think it would make a smashing ebook.
One I would buy in a heartbeat.

This. Ghost yes, this. I love SR4 in so many ways, but having to be arbitrary in making up things not in the books is grating at my nerves lately.
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« Reply #26 on: <11-07-11/1754:02> »
A custom Sniper Rifle

N7 Hawksnipe Widow
D: 8P
AP: -2
Mode: SS/BF
RC: (1)
Ammo: 20
Availability: 15F
Cost: 16,000
Mods: Internal Bipod, Powered Easy Breakdown
Accessory: Imaging Scope w/Image Link & Smartlink

And it's build is ... ??
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« Reply #27 on: <03-05-12/1830:58> »
c'mon, why are we limiting to guns here?
Base item-vibroknife, 1k.
mods- monofilament- -2ap extra, +2 dv
cost-400¥
total- 1400 ¥
Reasoning- As the vibroknife deals much more damage,  the logical extension is a monofilament vibroknife. this would deal double damage. Even though the sword doesnt, it is much less effiecent.
(my character created the monovibroknife, affectionatly dubbed the "Nukem Knife" after my char by the gm, at 2050. give it a year and your chars may just happen to hear about it.)
the 400 extra was reasoned by the fact that your monosword is made in bulk, and the mono part costs 400.
any errors?

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« Reply #28 on: <03-06-12/0119:08> »
I'm not sure the monoblade and the vibrating blade functions well together.
Not the way I imaging the two types of blades.

Anyway why not add a personal grip and/or a gecko grip?

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« Reply #29 on: <03-06-12/1225:20> »
Hey, I built the damnthing from scratch. Sure, i had a spirit do the designing and planning.....
And why wouldnt they? The idea is that it is a hilt function, amiright? (Max foaly.)