[Zilfer]

No more than I am bothered by people (not necessarily here, but in life in general) that use the term "memory" when they mean hard drive storage. I understand what they mean, and we just get on with life.

xD My mom does the exact same thing. Then when i corrected her and started talking to her about hard drive space she thought i was talking about RAM. XD

Aw well, such is life.

[Deliverator]

Its a pretty simple explanation. You load a MAGAZINE with CLIPS and you chamber rounds from a MAGAZINE. Internal magazine, tube magazine, box magazine, whatever. Any magazine can all be loaded with some form of "clip" and then, if removable, loaded into a firearm. I would LIKE it to be changed in SR but it won't be because that would require a whole lot of errata and just be a pain in the ass.

[FastJack]

Okay, let's go through this once and once only.

BULLETS go into ROUNDS/CARTRIDGES which are in CLIPS which load MAGAZINES.

Confusion between the terms began by the U.S. Military (of course). Use of the M1 Garand from 1936 through 1963 resulted in a lot of Army soldiers and Marines coming into contact with the weapon and it's internal magazine loaded by its clip. This lead to the term being used incorrectly when the same soldiers encountered weapons with external magazines.

[Xicidis]

You know at casinos there are Chips and Checks. Roulette has Chips, worthless clay that is marked for a specific amount at that table only. Checks are everywhere else, which have a dollar amount on them stating that the cage will trade that check for the amount it shows on it. The cage won't take chips because they can't tell how much they are worth.

My point is, mist people will call a Check, a Chip, and it's wrong. So what? I know what they mean. Sometimes I'll correct them if I think they'll think it's interesting. The vast majority of the time why bother.

I googled "Gun Clip" and the first thing that pops up is a Wiki for Magazine. Just below there was a page saying that clip normally is shortened for a stripper clip. I think it would sound weird to ask for a magazine. Even if it's the right term. It would be like now, in 2011, calling something cool "bad." It's just not used anymore. No one says "bad" meaning good anymore, because it's not "bad." So, why not accept that people mean stripper Clip, and even if something is not really right, you know what they mean.

On top of that, people are inherently lazy. Most people don't use proper grammar, or use idioms properly. How many times have you heard the phrase "I could care less." But when they say it they mean that they could NOT care less. If you spend all your time correcting tiny things like that, where will it end? No one says everything perfectly all of the time.

[Mäx]

So, why not accept that people mean stripper Clip, and even if something is not really right, you know what they mean.

What.
99 times out of a hundred people do not mean stripper Clip, they mean a detachaple box magazine.

[CanRay]

Personally, I'm bothered by the use of "Clips", and the term in general due to the mass misconception of it being used today.  Give it another half-century, and, yeah, I can see it being used in the lexicon properly...  I still don't like it, but...

After all, it's doubtful that after Caseless Ammo becomes de regular, actual Clips (As in, Strip Clips and En Bloc Clips) are likely to fall by the wayside and only be remembered in history books and by hunters wishing they could reload their old WWI/WWII bolt-action rifles faster.  They might still see some use in revolvers, but that's another story.

I know I'm not going to win this fight, as it's happened so many times before and I've been shouted down (And insulted), so, I'll just pick other battles carefully.

[FastJack]

So, why not accept that people mean stripper Clip, and even if something is not really right, you know what they mean.

What.
99 times out of a hundred people do not mean stripper Clip, they mean a detachaple box magazine.

The point he's making is that if they say "clip" and you know the mean "magazine", why is it such a big deal to ignore the faux pas. I'm a web designer. If I got angry everytime someone contacted me about problems they have with the email server, I would have an aneurysm within a week.

[Mäx]

So, why not accept that people mean stripper Clip, and even if something is not really right, you know what they mean.

What.
99 times out of a hundred people do not mean stripper Clip, they mean a detachaple box magazine.

The point he's making is that if they say "clip" and you know the mean "magazine",

If his post actually said that i wouldn't have had any need to correct him, but it quite clearly doesn't say that(maybe you should read the part i quoted again)
I usually actually use clip instead of magazine, mostly out of habit and it being closer to the Finnish word for a magazine

[Patrick Goodman]

Here we go again. This is the kind of thing I was hoping wouldn't happen again quite so damn soon.

[FastJack]

Here we go again. This is the kind of thing I was hoping wouldn't happen again quite so damn soon.

*sigh*  It's still civil.

[Chrona]

Let it die.

[Joush]

The thing is, most of the time magazines aren't loaded from clips. Clips are a specialized bit of equipment that most people really never have a reason to use, unless loading an old weapon via either a stripper clip or the M1 Greand's odd internal clip.

Real life modern soldiers are one of the few people that would very much avoid such confusion because they do carry stripper clips and magazines. (It's easier to carry ammunition in reloading clips, as they are lighter and less bulky then magazines.) Asking for the wrong thing can very well result in getting the wrong thing, as it's hard to second guess why you would ask for one or the other.

To clear up any confusion.. a clip is a device that holds ammunition ready to be loaded. A stripper clip (most of the ones used) has the rounds stripped off the clip while they are fed into a magazine.

A magazine is part of a weapon that holds rounds ready to fire. Most include a spring that moves a new round into position after the last one moves out. A detachable box magazine is what people think of when they think of a 'clip' most of the time: A enclosed box that holds bullets and a spring loaded feeding system. When empty it can be easily removed and a new one put into place. (Unlike an internal magazine, where rounds must either be loaded by a clip or one at a time by hand).

In any case.. it's a pet peeve, but not a huge problem.

[Mystic]

*sits back, watches, eats popcorn*

Anyway, nah it doesn't bother me becasue I have accepted that the general public has (for better or worse) become accustomed to saying one rather than the other. Now, the only time I will care is if I am ever in another real life and death situation (PREYS that never happens again) and i have to ask for a mag (at which case I'm likely screwed anyway) and the guy Im asking looks at me blankly like i asked him for a vodka martini in the middle of a shootout.

I also only care on a professional level during training because it HAS been drilled into us to use certain terminology. But that is totally different than from say, a guy who likes to go shooting on the weekend.

But it all comes down to live and let live, don't sweat the small stuff, life is too short, yadda yadda, etc etc. Ad nausium.

 

[Phylos Fett]

No more than I am bothered by people (not necessarily here, but in life in general) that use the term "memory" when they mean hard drive storage. I understand what they mean, and we just get on with life.

xD My mom does the exact same thing. Then when i corrected her and started talking to her about hard drive space she thought i was talking about RAM. XD

Aw well, such is life.

My mother just sticks to saying things like ATM machine and PIN number.

[Mason]

Okay, let's go through this once and once only.
BULLETS go into ROUNDS/CARTRIDGES which are in CLIPS which load MAGAZINES.

Hmm...so if the bullets are in the clip and the clip loads the magazine which is in the gun, how is it incorrect to ask for a clip? The clip has the bullets in it that you need to load your magazine. I am confused a bit here...

I question why this needs to be such a heated argument for a tabletop game. Does it ever happen in your games that someone asks for a clip and gets the blank stare or vice versa? Everyone in my game understands either. Of course, I have only ever seen a player run out of ammo once. They tend to not reload at all in any combat unless I hurl opponents at them with insane dodge pools that use cover and wear at least 10 armor, or hurl entire gangs of 20-50 individuals at them. Just sayin'.

Then the mage fireballs them and the sam throws three grenades, and we move on. Sigh. Only my boss fights and my fights in very unusual locations last long. If the foes are too strong, the team flees. If they are evenly matched, the team makes a superior plan and wipes them. Weak foes become red mist rapidly. Hoping this problem will be reduced in my new campaign where starting gear and abilities is more stringently controlled.