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« Reply #15 on: <08-19-11/1605:42> »
My original point was that the sensor rules are confusing, ambiguous, and illogical, and I think the debate in this thread proves that. If the rules were clear, there would be no debate.

Kirk's argument is that the vehicle is part of the wireless network, and receives information about traffic conditions from networked sources other than its own sensors. It would certainly make sense for a system to be designed that way, but I'm afraid the rules don't say that explicitly. It is reasonable and expedient to assume it...but that still leaves us with a problem that shadowrunners are likely to encounter, which is that if you can't or won't be part of a wireless network feeding you traffic info, your sensors aren't much good.

Sengir's argument is that vehicle sensors have a fixed signal of 5, and cites the Signal Range Table on SR4A 222, although that offers "vehicle autonav sensors" as an example of a device with Signal 3. But even if we assume that Sensors 3 have the same range as Signal 3, that's still only 400 meters, and the unaided eye can detect objects the size of an automobile, if not a metahuman or even a dog, at ranges much further than that - so why have sensors?

In any case, all of the arguments in this thread are either interpretations of very ambiguous rules or pure house-ruling. I think it was CanRay who said vehicle sensors work to the same range as line of sight, and I think for practical expediency, that's the rule I'm going to use.   

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« Reply #16 on: <08-19-11/1639:12> »
But even if we assume that Sensors 3 have the same range as Signal 3, that's still only 400 meters, and the unaided eye can detect objects the size of an automobile, if not a metahuman or even a dog, at ranges much further than that - so why have sensors? 

It's my belief that sensors become more important when factoring in a vehicle's auto-piloting capabilities more than being something which could conceivably give an advantage while actually driving a vehicle oneself.

The ruling you suggest does seem to be a very fair approach for those reasons you mention.

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« Reply #17 on: <08-19-11/2042:42> »
You're the one who said to RTFM.
And the manual says that microdrone sensors have Signal 2, minidrone sensors have Signal 3, small, medium, and large drone sensors have Signal 4, and vehicle sensors have Signal 5. Independently of the Sensor rating of the drone/vehicle in question.

If the difference between "sensor" and "signal" is too much for you, oh well...

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« Reply #18 on: <08-19-11/2055:18> »
You're the one who said to RTFM.
And the manual says that microdrone sensors have Signal 2, minidrone sensors have Signal 3, small, medium, and large drone sensors have Signal 4, and vehicle sensors have Signal 5. Independently of the Sensor rating of the drone/vehicle in question.

If the difference between "sensor" and "signal" is too much for you, oh well...
What page of which manual, please?

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« Reply #19 on: <08-19-11/2100:02> »
See above...
In any case, that still doesn't answer the question of what is the maximum distance at which vehicle A can detect vehicle B?
As I said before, that's determined by the Sensor rating of the package. Page 334, SR4A.

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« Reply #20 on: <08-19-11/2118:56> »
See above...
In any case, that still doesn't answer the question of what is the maximum distance at which vehicle A can detect vehicle B?
As I said before, that's determined by the Sensor rating of the package. Page 334, SR4A.

You mean the one where the top row is Sensor Packages, Capacity, and SIGNAL? The one on 334, not the one the section you cited says which is on page 222? You couldn't be bothered to say, "The table on 334?"

I have been searching this frigging book by every means I know looking for Sensor because you emphasized Signal and Sensor were different, and in the end YOU are talking about SIGNAL AS SENSOR?

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If the difference between "sensor" and "signal" is too much for you, oh well...

Condescension and derogation, meet your petard.

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« Reply #21 on: <08-20-11/0908:24> »
You mean the one where the top row is Sensor Packages, Capacity, and SIGNAL? The one on 334, not the one the section you cited says which is on page 222? You couldn't be bothered to say, "The table on 334?"
The fact that it took you until now to acknowledge something I posted in my first reply to this thread probably speaks volumes on why I should have stuck to my capitulation. And I will do so from now on.

PS: re-reading my older posts, I realized it should have said "Signal" here