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The use of Omae

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baronspam

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« Reply #15 on: <06-19-11/0028:44> »
*Coughs and points up about the word "Nigger"*
If you want me to read you stuff CanRay you need to use bigger font.  I am usually drinking by mid morning.
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lol now that I would definately have read

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« Reply #16 on: <06-19-11/0220:10> »
Fo Shizzle?
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« Reply #17 on: <06-19-11/1308:55> »
As for the repeated posting of the 'N' word. Enough of it already!

It's not the one with your name on it; it's the one addressed "to whom it may concern" you've got to think about.

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« Reply #18 on: <06-19-11/1717:32> »
I intended to only post about it once.  I'm done now.
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« Reply #19 on: <06-19-11/2114:47> »
I've used omae a fair amount when in Japan, and no one seems to take offence. It is more like saying 'homie'. It is a vulgar pronoun and you wouldn't say it in a proper context. Among runners, there wouldn't be a problem.

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« Reply #20 on: <06-20-11/1309:42> »
As for the repeated posting of the 'N' word. Enough of it already!

See what I mean.  Even when not used in any insulting or hostile way it freaks people out.  You can't even say the word to talk about the word.  A media figure can destroy their career over this word.

But black people can be "street' and say it 50 times in five minutes if they want to, refering to themselves, other black people present, and black people in general.  And no one seems to mind that.  BS like that makes me crazy.  If its a fighting insult and unfit for civilized society I really shouldn't have to listen to it for an hour on the bus on the way home from some black guy who would turn around and use it to get me fired if I called him that at work. 

Hypocracy and double standards piss me off.

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« Reply #21 on: <06-20-11/1323:21> »
Could a Black Irish get away with it?   :P
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« Reply #22 on: <06-20-11/1429:27> »
If so, can I?  I'm part Irish (I'm sure it's "Black Irish" as my mom and grandpa had stark black hair).
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« Reply #23 on: <06-20-11/1505:59> »
Apparently I have been "doing it wrong" for 20+ years........ When I read a SR novel or sourcebook where they use Omae, I always thought it was used the way Gambit of the x-men used it, lol. Now that I think about it though I should have been thinking "japaneese" rather than "Cajun" ><

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« Reply #24 on: <06-20-11/2209:49> »

See what I mean.  Even when not used in any insulting or hostile way it freaks people out.  You can't even say the word to talk about the word.  A media figure can destroy their career over this word.

But black people can be "street' and say it 50 times in five minutes if they want to, refering to themselves, other black people present, and black people in general.  And no one seems to mind that.  BS like that makes me crazy.  If its a fighting insult and unfit for civilized society I really shouldn't have to listen to it for an hour on the bus on the way home from some black guy who would turn around and use it to get me fired if I called him that at work. 

Hypocracy and double standards piss me off.

Regarding the poster above me (not quoted) its not enormously wrong, I suppose, I just wouldn't find hearing a non-Japanese person using it alright (and I myself am Irish, so not a drop of the Japanese in me).

Regarding quoted poster, I agree with this, to an extent. I have, on several occasions, used the n-word with some of my black friends jokingly (I've said some pretty racy stuff before) but they all know its in good fun, and so are more than o.k. with it. I have a personal issue with the over-use (ESPECIALLY online) of the word faggot or "that's so gay" or "don't be  Jew," not because of the words themselves (seriously, nothing wrong with words) but their intent. It is the same as telling someone "don't be such a n-word," which everyone would agree in those situations would not be morally right to say, yet they insist on equating homosexuality or being born in a Judaic culture or some similar thing with negativity. There's a double standard if you want one. (The reason I hate Eminem: He refuses to use the n-word because he thinks its offensive, but will throw faggot in every other sentence while rapping and not think a thing about it.)
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« Reply #25 on: <06-20-11/2355:00> »
In this overly politically correct world we live in (And it's worse in Canada, trust me!), almost any phrase can be taken the wrong way.

Hell, watch the original Boondock Saints, and you'll get a scene right at the beginning of how thin-skinned people are getting.

Is it good such racial slurs are going away?  Yes.  Should they be as dramatically attacked?  Well, it's equally offensive to punch someone in the face for a phrase that's been in the local lexicon for the last few generations.  Time and patience.

Of course, it helps that the worst thing that can be thrown at me culturally without knowing me well is "Canuck"...  So I might be biased in some way to this.
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« Reply #26 on: <06-21-11/0055:11> »
In this overly politically correct world we live in (And it's worse in Canada, trust me!), almost any phrase can be taken the wrong way.

Hell, watch the original Boondock Saints, and you'll get a scene right at the beginning of how thin-skinned people are getting.

Is it good such racial slurs are going away?  Yes.  Should they be as dramatically attacked?  Well, it's equally offensive to punch someone in the face for a phrase that's been in the local lexicon for the last few generations.  Time and patience.

Of course, it helps that the worst thing that can be thrown at me culturally without knowing me well is "Canuck"...  So I might be biased in some way to this.

Of course phrases can be taken in the wrong way, but a good portion of people are at least fair when it comes to intuiting the intent behind a word. Negative connotations or an intent to insult are quite bad, and of course, deserving of a punch in the face and a kick to the stomach. Joking intentions, while occasionally misguided, are generally benign and need only perhaps a bit better instruction of the use of such terms in jokes. Also, derailed, totally.
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« Reply #27 on: <06-21-11/0201:05> »
The word isn't half as insulting as seeing people arguing and bitching over the fact that they "don't get to say nigger." 
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Feel free.  Any time you'd be comfortable calling someone motherfucker, just sub nigger on in there.  You have my permission.

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« Reply #28 on: <06-21-11/0214:50> »
Of course, it helps that the worst thing that can be thrown at me culturally without knowing me well is "Canuck"...  So I might be biased in some way to this.

I prefer Canuckian, myself.  Has a whole host of Candian-Specific Racial Slurs imbedded in it.  Of course, only *I* know what those are. :)

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« Reply #29 on: <06-21-11/0252:46> »
Canuckistan?  :P
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