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Oil and primary energy in the 6th world

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Wickidsurfer

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« on: <06-16-11/1849:50> »
A friend and I where discussing shadowrun today and the topic of petroleum based energy came up, with projections showing fuel shortages in the future, what has become of the fossil fuel industry in the 6th world?  I imagine that there are still petroleum products, I know most cars operate on the grid system, but what of t-birds, jets, semi-orbitals, long haul trucks etc....

Which brings up another question wouldn't the Athabascan Council wield significant power(with all the oil reserves in the north) and have been a juicy target for the former Tsimshian area under the plundering yoke of MCT?

(sorry if this is an obvious question, thought I'd get some forum-iffec answers versus digging around in dusty ol' tomes)

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« Reply #1 on: <06-16-11/2046:38> »
Petro-Chem Fuels are the common form of "Gasoline" (Petrol substitute, actually) that's been mentioned in the fluff back in the day.  A bit of Petrol with a lot of chemical fillers.  Bio-Diesel is a big one, and is likely to have a Aviation Fuel equivalent.

Most ground vehicles are hybrid vehicles, electrical energy at low speeds, Petrochem engine for higher speeds or acceleration.  This is what GridGuide connects to and provides power to (This limits accel rates, BTW.).  Military vehicles, and ones designed for off-road or highway driving are likely to be Multifuel Engines (See Arsenal, Page 140), which can use pretty much whatever will provide enough oomph in the cylinders (I've heard that some forms of weed killer will work!  Not well, but...).  These work best on Diesel (Bio-Diesel again), apparently, as they're heavily based on Diesel Engines (Which will run on quite a few different things without extensive modifications!).

Petroleum is still a major commodity, however, and the Megas fight heavily over control of oil bearing areas.  S-K is the major power in the Middle East, IIRC.  If my geography is correct, the Athabascan Council lands hold the (Former) Alberta Tar Sands that has a drekload of petroleum available.  The Trans-Polar Aleut is likely sitting on large deposits as well.
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« Reply #2 on: <06-17-11/0815:17> »
Nuclear reactions are apparently less reliable than they used to be, but solar power has stepped in (somewhat) to fulfill that lack.

I expect Coal to still be a major contributor, especially in North America.

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« Reply #3 on: <06-17-11/0919:26> »
S-K is the major power in the Middle East, IIRC.
Or Evo, depending on which page of Corporate Guide you're looking at (page 87 or 152 and 154).

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« Reply #4 on: <06-17-11/0941:45> »
Nuclear reactions are apparently less reliable than they used to be, but solar power has stepped in (somewhat) to fulfill that lack.

I expect Coal to still be a major contributor, especially in North America.
Fusion Power !
most of the Industry is fed by Fusion Power Plants
Citycars are Dual Engine with 1/2 Multifuel and 1/2 Electric
so there is less (but still significant ) Need for Petrol and Oil

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« Reply #5 on: <06-17-11/1110:58> »
Seattle's main power source is the Gaeatronics reactor across the border in Salish-Sidhe, although I don't remember what kind of reactor it is, I don't think it's fission. And the ACHE (former Renraku arcology) has three fusion reactors still in active use cycles in its lower levels (keeping these from being used against the metroplex was the leverage the UCAS used to send in the joint task force and later seize the arcology).
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« Reply #6 on: <06-17-11/1214:54> »
There's also been some attempts at Geothermal taps at the volcanoes the the GGD woke up.

Most of those didn't work so well.  The remnants of the attempts can be found in Seattle's Hell's Kitchen (Not to be mistaken for the Hell's Kitchen in New York.).
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« Reply #7 on: <06-17-11/1300:19> »
Don't forget the Japanese solar collectors. Probably not the only people who have that tech at this point.
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« Reply #8 on: <06-17-11/1456:38> »
Don't forget the Japanese solar collectors. Probably not the only people who have that tech at this point.
Yeah, that came along in 2006 concurrent with or a cause of the return of the Empire.

I'm shocked no one ever had a Sim City 2000-style "accident" with those things.

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« Reply #9 on: <06-25-11/1609:09> »
What about magic based energy? Have any Megas designed vehicles for awakened metas that run off thier mana? Wouldnt it be cool if a mage could power his car for the day by zapping it with a lightning bolt?

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« Reply #10 on: <06-25-11/1750:08> »
There's a Spell in War that recharges  Batteries/Energy Cells

with a "Duracell Dance"
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« Reply #11 on: <06-25-11/2019:26> »
What about magic based energy? Have any Megas designed vehicles for awakened metas that run off thier mana? Wouldnt it be cool if a mage could power his car for the day by zapping it with a lightning bolt?
Just what we need, a slotted off Fire Elemental that's angry that it's heating a house for a year and a day!

Magicians are too expensive to provide something as plebeian as electrical power for the Megas.  For other groups...  That might work.  A Fire Elemental-Heated Steam Engine Power Generator using captured rainwater, perfect for a Barrens operation that needs to stay off the grid!
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« Reply #12 on: <06-25-11/2129:53> »
Fusion reactors in SR pump in seawater to create energy and pure H2O. What more do you want?

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« Reply #13 on: <06-25-11/2136:28> »
Fusion reactors in SR pump in seawater to create energy and pure H2O. What more do you want?
The ability to deal with the radioactive elements from inside the reactors after they're taken offline due to the internals being too brittle to operate any longer?
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« Reply #14 on: <06-25-11/2231:01> »
MAGIC!