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« Reply #75 on: <09-05-11/0401:49> »
Reminds me of my first HS reunion. This is a direct quote from a guy who used to pick on me....a LOT

"So Rob, what do you do now?"

"I'm a cop."

 :o (Imagine about 10x bigger)

"Ohhhh shi...They gave YOU a...gun?!?!?"

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« Reply #76 on: <09-05-11/1104:35> »
Oh I can believe it. I still look at some SR guns and wonder exactly HOW they work. The Browning Ultra-power and Colt Manhunter for example: where exactly is the ejection ports for the shells? And where exactly IS the magazine (don't get me started on calling them 'clips') on the Colt L36? (OK, I'll forgive the L36 as it's a re-used design from somewhere else.)

And a lot of the rifles from Gun Haven looked really...uncomfortable to use from a shooter POV, not to mention seem a bit clumsy. *shrugs*. Nice stats though.

OK, Ill stop there. I feel a rant coming on.
Actually, once I figured out what was going on I accepted the magazine vs clip label.
Magazine is a fixed magazine, like the tube magazine found on many lever action rifles or pump-action shotguns.
Clip is a removable magazine.

By using and "enforcing" the different label it actually reduces long-term confusion for most players. Annoying, sure, but it actually makes sense.

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« Reply #77 on: <09-05-11/1109:02> »
By using and "enforcing" incorrect labels, it pisses off firearms enthusiasts.

That said, the average person calls them these things incorrectly all the time, and you aim at a broad audience, so, there you go.

Also, honestly, how many clip-fed weapons are left by the 2050s-2070s?  Even I got to admit that it's not likely someone's going to get confused when shopping.
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« Reply #78 on: <09-05-11/1130:34> »
As for checking for "brass", I would use a RL example. My Springfield XD has a a "nub" along the top of the slide, just behind the ejection port. When a round is chambered, it pops up. That way, all you have to do us run your finger over the top and know (great for low to zero light conditions) if a round is chambered. Also, there is a small nub on the back of the slide (where the hammer for most other guns are) that sticks out to let you know the weapon has been properly charged.

I remember a Ruger pistol that used a "loaded" indicator. When a round was inserted into the chamber, the back rim of the round would push a small block out of the way, making it stick out the side of the slide. It had a bright red dot on the rear of the block that would get exposed when it was sticking out so the user could see it without adjusting his grip. Worked well enough for standard centerfire rounds.

Unfortunately, someone at Ruger thought it would be a bright idea to put the indicator on some of their rimfire pistols.

Small firearms lesson: Bullets fire when their "primer" is struck, causing a small ignition point which sets off the rest of the propellant. In centerfire rounds, the most common, the primer is in a little divot in the center rear of the case. In a rimfire round, the primer is in a ring around the back rim of the case.

Yeah. A small movable metal block, resting against the rim primer. Imagine what happens if the weapon is dropped and lands on it's "loaded" indicator.

So I suppose even gun "experts" can be stupid about weapon design.


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« Reply #79 on: <09-05-11/1248:29> »
Probably someone's brother-in-law...   >:(
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« Reply #80 on: <09-05-11/1512:56> »
Oh I can believe it. I still look at some SR guns and wonder exactly HOW they work. The Browning Ultra-power and Colt Manhunter for example: where exactly is the ejection ports for the shells? And where exactly IS the magazine (don't get me started on calling them 'clips') on the Colt L36? (OK, I'll forgive the L36 as it's a re-used design from somewhere else.)

And a lot of the rifles from Gun Haven looked really...uncomfortable to use from a shooter POV, not to mention seem a bit clumsy. *shrugs*. Nice stats though.

OK, Ill stop there. I feel a rant coming on.
Actually, once I figured out what was going on I accepted the magazine vs clip label.
Magazine is a fixed magazine, like the tube magazine found on many lever action rifles or pump-action shotguns.
Clip is a removable magazine.

By using and "enforcing" the different label it actually reduces long-term confusion for most players. Annoying, sure, but it actually makes sense.

Hate to say it, but that's most definitely the wrong definition of "clip" vs "magazine"

A magazine is a device used to actively feed a firearm during firing. Whether it's the magazine of an AK-47 or a 9mm Beretta, it's a magazine.

A clip is a loading aid, used to assist in the loading of a guns fixed magazine or detachable magazine. For example, a Russian SKS assault rifle does not have a detachable magazine, but instead uses a 10-round stripper clip to feed ammo into the magazine directly.

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« Reply #81 on: <09-05-11/1515:57> »
Thermo, you know that, I know that, the gun nuts here know that.  The average person is going to watch a movie and go, "Oh, wow, does he look cool when he changes he clips like that!"

*Sighs*  When marketing, aim at the lowest common denominator...  :(
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« Reply #82 on: <09-05-11/1622:30> »
people were talking about using the correct terminology in a thread specifically about firearms, seemed like as good a place as any to make the distinction   :-\

not trying to be a smarty-pants or anything

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« Reply #83 on: <09-05-11/1630:08> »
No problem Thermo, just been argued to hell and back too many times.  We're right, but we're not going to win this fight.  I just grumble about it every now and then and move on.

So, how about them Ares Predators?  :P

Honestly, I'm hoping we get another nice gun porn book with an artist that's seen some firearms and can draw some nice futuristic-looking items that look like they won't break apart when firing a .22 Short.  ;)
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« Reply #84 on: <09-06-11/0018:38> »
I remeber my academy days when the firearms instructor came out with one of those huge black paper clips attached to a string and said in no un-certain terms: "THIS is a clip, and you load your weapons with a MAGAZINE. First person to call their magazine a 'clip;' will wear this around their neck for three days or until some other (CENSORED: Cant repeat here) says it!"

Needless to say, I knew exactly what to say.  :-X
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« Reply #85 on: <09-06-11/0023:39> »
If I get a regular game, I might do that.  :P

*Sighs*  No, I won't...
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« Reply #86 on: <09-06-11/0030:16> »
If I get a regular game, I might do that.  :P

*Sighs*  No, I won't...

Do it, or get s regular game? ;)

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« Reply #87 on: <09-06-11/0030:50> »
Some days, it feels like that would be a "Yes".
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« Reply #88 on: <09-06-11/0312:38> »
as a footnote on the Colt 1991/m1911 bit. Les Baer and Kimber are two modern manufs of that particular frame (high quality I am told), and might be a interesting bit of Fluff for background.


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« Reply #89 on: <09-06-11/0736:05> »
I've seen the clip/magazine thing pop up a LOT here and on Dumpshock and, usually, there's two types of people in the discussion. Those that want to make sure everyone understands the difference between a magazine and a clip, and how they are totally different and unique terms.

And those that really just don't care. ;)