[Ryder]

@ Critias

With the exception of the Steyr AUG and the PP2000, those are all great looking weapons with tight compact functional frames. Most of the new automatics and long arms were to back heavy to be practical with way over sized trigger guards. I really liked the look of the t-983, other than the cluttered top rail, and the equalizer is growing on me, I can picture it firing and it seems realistic if a little odd, but the rest... the Jainshi don't have room for the bolt to move behind the clip(s). the chamber on the Xfactor III doesn't line up with the barrel. the Minotuar's rear grip is almost as long or longer than the front bi-pod and for some reason its the only weapon not to get a trigger guard. I wish the artist had had a better understanding of how firearms work. The detail on all the new guns was great and with a little more knowledge the designs could have been marvelous.

On a side note. While the Steyr AUG is not the most aesthetically pleasing weapon you have to love a firearm that can go from being a carbine to a LMG in the same amount of time it takes to clean most rifles. I would love to see a weapon turn up in shadowrun that you could do that with an armorer skill role.

[Tsuzua]

16,800¥ using a Meta Link case and custom innards.

Just like the good old days with the old Cyberdeck that's cracked open and everyone inside custom built, eh Bull?

Actually upgrading an matrix attribute is capped by base attribute + 2 (SR4A 222).  So it's a Transys Avalon with Novatech Navi for 23500Y.

[Mäx]

I would love to see a weapon turn up in shadowrun that you could do that with an armorer skill role.

Umm, Steyr Aug is allready in the game, as is HK XM30, both of witch you can do that.

[CanRay]

16,800¥ using a Meta Link case and custom innards.

Just like the good old days with the old Cyberdeck that's cracked open and everyone inside custom built, eh Bull?

Actually upgrading an matrix attribute is capped by base attribute + 2 (SR4A 222).  So it's a Transys Avalon with Novatech Navi for 23500Y.

Somehow missed that.  ...  Oh well, thanks for the heads up.

[Tsuzua]

Everyone makes that mistake.  I did until someone pointed it out to me.  It also causes weird things like you can't have Firewall 6, but that's another thread.

As for Gun Heaven itself, the guns are nifty conceptually.  The problem with a book like this is that SR guns are all similar enough that it's quite easy to compare them.  Thus it's often to end up with "best guns" for a given niche.  While this is alright especially since honestly the difference between best and average is fairly small, it makes a product like Gun Heaven problematic.  Either it's a book full of guns no one will use (or worst yet given to already weak NPCs for flavor) or it's full of new "best guns" and everyone puts down a few thousand nuyen for some lol power creep or a mix.  Gun Heaven is a mix.  A lot of the guns are merely meh versions of better firearms while there's a few that take the top slot (such as the MP9 for Machine Pistols). 

[TheWanderingJewels]

as a footnote on the Colt 1991/m1911 bit. Les Baer and Kimber are two modern manufs of that particular frame (high quality I am told), and might be a interesting bit of Fluff for background.

Also, While there might be titan ams companies, I've noticed that there are a lot of second string companies that do after market mods and making of weapons in small enough amounts that the big boys doesn't even notice. I see no reason Shadowrun can't do the same

[Patrick Goodman]

I even know of an in-game corp that does it.

[Chrona]

I even know of an in-game corp that does it.

Which? I need a corp like that for a game

[Critias]

I've had a short fic character whose guns have been described as "Morissey-Kimber" (just stock Morissey guns, but with 'pimped' bought and acting like it came standard) for a while, now. 

There's certainly plenty of room in Shadowrun for it, but I've always been a big fan of doing that sort of thing with cars, guns, etc, anyways.  Just change the name of something, call it what you want to call it that you think is cooler, and call it a day.

[Patrick Goodman]

Which? I need a corp like that for a game

Cavalier Arms, currently a division of Reality, Inc.

[Chrona]

Which? I need a corp like that for a game

Cavalier Arms, currently a division of Reality, Inc.

Thanks!

[Critias]

Which? I need a corp like that for a game

Cavalier Arms, currently a division of Reality, Inc.

Cavalier Arms...Cavalier Arms...hrm.  What's the CEO's name, again?  I don't remember.   

[Patrick Goodman]

Before or after the Old Man got himself shot dead in 2063?

[CanRay]

Before or after the Old Man got himself shot dead in 2063?

At least, that's the official coroner's report.  I have a line on the original that makes things look much more...  Suspicious. 

[Patrick Goodman]

Hey, it's bad enough I...er, he...got blown away with his own guns in his own house. Now there's rumors flying that he wasn't shot up? You gotta tell me some of these one of these days....