[CanRay]

I'd be happy with damaged based on caliber and the use of the term magazine. 

But, meh, it's done.  This is what we have.  Play nice children.

[JoeNapalm]

I have never suggested more realism on the combat system. I have argued against it in several threads.

I simply wish they would get their basic vocabulary right. When I write, I fact check. *shrug*

I seriously doubt that calling a magazine a magazine, or classifying carbines as rifles, would drive anyone from the game. As was said by Fastjack awhile back - there's two kinds of people, those who know the difference, and those who don't care. Getting the basic terminology correct can really only help you, in that case.

-Jn-
Ifriti Sophist

[Cass100199]

It's just laziness, really. If you're going to pay a premium for a product, then the obligation of well researched material is expected.

[Chrona]

Dead Horse, guys.

Anyone make good use of the Gun Haven Heaven guns in game yet? I kept my street sammie pinned down with the duel clip assault rifle on a drone.

[Ethan]

Wow, this thread got weird.

And yes, in my offline game (the only one) my GM spread around the use of the lower end pistols. My character got shot with one too, which is nice. Responded in kind, since he had run out of ammo by that time.

That was supposed to be my 'welcome back, we're playing downtime' game.

According to the Facebook/Twitter feed there's a second book already planned, and I hope for more shotguns in this one.

[Mystic]

Ogre Hammer does BAD things to people, drones, and lightly armored vehicles. As a man-portable weapon, not so good. In the hands of a troll, slightly better. Mounted on vehicle or drone.

Remember what I said about it doing bad things? I've had to severely restrict it in my games because now EVERYONE wants one.

The Colt 1991 is also been popular with a gunslinger adept player who comes and goes in my game. He likes the vintage stuff and it came in handy when the gun-bunny sammy (who loved to harp on him about his all vintage stuff) took a bad shot to the head and had all his headware scrambled, losing all of his targeting bonuses.

After seeing the vintage quality, I'm starting to think that having one basic gun that isn't able to be hacked and what not should be SOP for all runners should your 'link, net, etc ever become compromised.
 

[CanRay]

After seeing the vintage quality, I'm starting to think that having one basic gun that isn't able to be hacked and what not should be SOP for all runners should your 'link, net, etc ever become compromised.

I've said it a few times, datacable for a smartgun link works as a lanyard as well, and still gives the bonuses. 

And everyone should love the M1911 and it's derivatives. 

[Mystic]

After seeing the vintage quality, I'm starting to think that having one basic gun that isn't able to be hacked and what not should be SOP for all runners should your 'link, net, etc ever become compromised.

I've said it a few times, datacable for a smartgun link works as a lanyard as well, and still gives the bonuses. 

And everyone should love the M1911 and it's derivatives. 

There was a reason i named my old dog "Kimber"

[Critias]

After seeing the vintage quality, I'm starting to think that having one basic gun that isn't able to be hacked and what not should be SOP for all runners should your 'link, net, etc ever become compromised.

I've said it a few times, datacable for a smartgun link works as a lanyard as well, and still gives the bonuses. 

And everyone should love the M1911 and it's derivatives. 

There was a reason i named my old dog "Kimber"

[Insert "failure-to-feed" joke here, from some anti-1911 Glockophile like some folks I hang out with]   

[Mystic]

After seeing the vintage quality, I'm starting to think that having one basic gun that isn't able to be hacked and what not should be SOP for all runners should your 'link, net, etc ever become compromised.

I've said it a few times, datacable for a smartgun link works as a lanyard as well, and still gives the bonuses. 

And everyone should love the M1911 and it's derivatives. 

There was a reason i named my old dog "Kimber"

[Insert "failure-to-feed" joke here, from some anti-1911 Glockophile like some folks I hang out with]   

Laughed for 5 min straight. Needed that. Some people swear by Glocks, me....I swear AT them.

Then again, maybe there IS a reason there are no Glocks listed in GH (other than legal issues from a real company).

[Critias]

Me, I've just never gotten into the "Ford v. Chevy" mentality of it all.  Brand rivalries don't make much sense to me.  Shoot what you like, be a good, safe, shot with it, and let's all just get along, y'know?

I own a Glock, I've got my fair share of posts on Glocktalk.com, but I don't think more than a half dozen of them have been about Glocks.  I'm not a "Glock guy," I'm just a guy that happens to have gotten a good deal on a Glock when I was shoppin' for a first handgun.  I'm jonesing for a 1911 lately, and the way some people carry on, you'd think that if I let the two guns touch, the matter/anti-matter reaction would make the friggin' world explode.

I do what I can in Shadowrun to play up the "Ares Predator vs. Browning ___-Power" line wars, though.  Because as brand loyal as some folks can be today, they really are brand wars -- literally! -- in the 2050s-2070s.  I created, but unfortunately never got to run, a character that was a total Ares fanboy.  A dangerous mamajama, lethal shooter, otherwise very professional, competent, skilled, you name it...but who had a minor Distinctive Style for being decked out, 24/7, in Ares gear.  Ares this, Ares that, Ares-branded armor, all that sort of stuff.  Vipers, Predators, Crusaders, Alphas, HVARs, and on and on and on...just always picking the Ares model from every list of guns (and if one didn't exist, creating one with the same stats as an existing piece, just for flavor). 

Closest I ever got to getting to use him was with my Chase stories, but it's just not the same 'cause Chase is just a sell-out.  This guy really meant it.  Really believed in Ares stuff as superior.  Ah well, he would'a been fun.   

[CanRay]

The Cola Wars were really nasty in the late 2060s-early 2070s.  Many lives were lost...

[Mystic]

The Cola Wars were really nasty in the late 2060s-early 2070s.  Many lives were lost...

WE DIDN'T START THE FI-RE!!!! It was alway's burnin' 'sence the world's been turnin'!! *hehehehehehe*

Sorry...*AHEM*

Me, I've just never gotten into the "Ford v. Chevy" mentality of it all.  Brand rivalries don't make much sense to me.  Shoot what you like, be a good, safe, shot with it, and let's all just get along, y'know?

I own a Glock, I've got my fair share of posts on Glocktalk.com, but I don't think more than a half dozen of them have been about Glocks.  I'm not a "Glock guy," I'm just a guy that happens to have gotten a good deal on a Glock when I was shoppin' for a first handgun.  I'm jonesing for a 1911 lately, and the way some people carry on, you'd think that if I let the two guns touch, the matter/anti-matter reaction would make the friggin' world explode.

I do what I can in Shadowrun to play up the "Ares Predator vs. Browning ___-Power" line wars, though.  Because as brand loyal as some folks can be today, they really are brand wars -- literally! -- in the 2050s-2070s.  I created, but unfortunately never got to run, a character that was a total Ares fanboy.  A dangerous mamajama, lethal shooter, otherwise very professional, competent, skilled, you name it...but who had a minor Distinctive Style for being decked out, 24/7, in Ares gear.  Ares this, Ares that, Ares-branded armor, all that sort of stuff.  Vipers, Predators, Crusaders, Alphas, HVARs, and on and on and on...just always picking the Ares model from every list of guns (and if one didn't exist, creating one with the same stats as an existing piece, just for flavor). 

Closest I ever got to getting to use him was with my Chase stories, but it's just not the same 'cause Chase is just a sell-out.  This guy really meant it.  Really believed in Ares stuff as superior.  Ah well, he would'a been fun.   

Nice, knew a guy who did something similar in a Marvel game, he was the "first corporate sponsored super hero". Blasted costume looked like the hood of a NASCAR.

But me, I just like to poke fun at things, and Glock-fanboys are just SO DAMN EASY sometimes. I have a passion for my Springfield XD, so I can understand name brand loyalty (has an XD hat, multiple shirts, etc) I personally think that as long as the weapon performs as it should in your hand, good for you.

But as for the 1911/1991, I think that its a mystique thing because of the weapons history. We all like cool classic icons. Elvis, classic cars (insert type here), weapons, etc. Its like in Battletech (for those of you who know that game). Yeah, headcapping a 'mech with any other weapon is good and it gets the job done, but its just so much COOLER to do it with a Gauss Rifle. Specific weapons in SR have that mystique about them that can never be changed. Gun Haven tapped into that with the 1991.

[CanRay]

The Colt Peacemaker and Winchester '73.  The Thompson (all models) and M1 Garand.  The M1911 and Browning High Power (First of the Wonder Nines!).  The AK-family.  The MP-5.  The Glock family.  And so on.  Iconic all of them.

[Mystic]

The Colt Peacemaker and Winchester '73.  The Thompson (all models) and M1 Garand.  The M1911 and Browning High Power (First of the Wonder Nines!).  The AK-family.  The MP-5.  The Glock family.  And so on.  Iconic all of them.

*points to post with "TA-DA!" flourish*