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« Reply #120 on: <07-18-11/0852:27> »
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Because he's obviously supposed to be a uber min/maxed character

Well, a Char (like a Rigger) that is not using full potenzial in the Matrix ( - no simsence booster
- no simsence accelerator - no Commlink optimization for Command ) nor in real Life (- no Gearhead/Jury Rigger quality - no More the Metahuman quality ) and that doesn't use the full Potential of his Drones (- none of his drones and vehicles are decently modded - none of his drones and vehicles are upgraded to complement a riggers skills- no TacNet )
 Is far far away from being Legendary.
He appears to me like the old Battlemech.
I spent Hours and Hours improving them with the basic Rules because the basic Mech were so.....Inferior to those that could be done with the Basic Rules.
And if he is a mere 120 Karma Points Char he doesn't deserve to be called Legendary (ImO)

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« Reply #121 on: <07-18-11/0923:16> »
If you found it perfectly readable, how come you missed even basic stuff like "Improved Takeoff and Landing 2, chameleon coating"?
And what exactly is wrong with those 2?
Inconsistent capitalization.


PS: What's also somewhat weird about Mr. X, he's got all sorts of upgrades which apply when jumped in, yet his vehicle skills are specialized on remote control (i.e. using a Command program). While not against the rules AFAIK, I wouldn't allow a character which is specialized on something he doesn't seem to use very often.

PPS:
Because he's obviously supposed to be a uber min/maxed character ::)
Sure, a character with >150 Karma can only be a min/maxed assortment of munchkinism...
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« Reply #122 on: <07-18-11/1005:25> »
Some non-constructive criticism.
Consider this an official warning, Tycho. Even after we asked that you stick to constructive criticism if you need to complain, this post does not offer anything more than the previous posts. It may be your opinion that Rigger X is not built to the best character optimization that you believe he should be, but that does not mean he "sucks" as a character.

It sure does, if he is after any means just bad in whats supposed to be his craft. And it is not my opinion, its a fact. The stats are out there for everyone to see and everybody with basic understanding of the rules can confirm, that he sucks.  ::)

Also my post is very constructive! I even listed all the things the character is missing to be
a high-end drone rigger

and offered an solution for the problem (using people that know what they are doing).  :o

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« Reply #123 on: <07-18-11/1011:16> »
Inconsistent capitalization.

Actually, that's done correctly, via the Style Guide we use.  I'm not certain WHY it's done that way, but basically you capitalize gear if it's a brand name (Yamaha Rapier) or if it's something with a rating (Wired Reflexes 2), otherwise it is not capitalized. 

It's a pain in the ass to keep straight, honestly, and I know as a writer and editor I'm terrible about it.  Fortunately for Missions I have a couple really anal-retentive proofers who usually catch these for me. :)

(Also, while it's never been entirely consistently used, these style guide rules predate Jason's term as developer)

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« Reply #124 on: <07-18-11/1027:03> »
Some non-constructive criticism.
Consider this an official warning, Tycho. Even after we asked that you stick to constructive criticism if you need to complain, this post does not offer anything more than the previous posts. It may be your opinion that Rigger X is not built to the best character optimization that you believe he should be, but that does not mean he "sucks" as a character.

It sure does, if he is after any means just bad in whats supposed to be his craft. And it is not my opinion, its a fact. The stats are out there for everyone to see and everybody with basic understanding of the rules can confirm, that he sucks.  ::)

Also my post is very constructive! I even listed all the things the character is missing to be
a high-end drone rigger

and offered an solution for the problem (using people that know what they are doing).  :o

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Point taken, Tycho. My point is that your definition of a high-end drone rigger may not be everyone's definition. By claiming that your version is the best-possible version (whether or not it is fully optimized by the rules), comes off a kinda arrogant and disrespectful.

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« Reply #125 on: <07-18-11/1040:34> »
I don't think Tychos proclaiming the Best possible Solution
He's just shown what is lacking (what he's missing) in a "High End Rigger"

comes off a kinda arrogant and disrespectful.
I think his Post is mainly from disappointment
Sometimes its minor things that "Tick You off"
(like ,for Example, the Cal .40 with a Light Pistol) sometimes its sth. bigger
(like a Rigger thats supposed to be "Legendary Stuff "turns out to be just ....mediocre)

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« Reply #126 on: <07-18-11/1041:29> »
I think optimized and legendary are two different things.  Optimized to me is meta-gaming to squeeze every number out of a process and something you will see on a PC.  Which isn't wholly wrong, your character is supposed to be the center of the story after all.  Legendary is supposed to represent "real" people (NPC's).  And real people aren't optimized and npc's shouldn't be as tightly focused as a PC who's alter ego (player) can focus on the math aspects of his build.
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« Reply #127 on: <07-18-11/1044:42> »
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Legendary is supposed to represent "real" people (NPC's).
I thought Legendary means "Larger than Life"
how could they if a starting Char can "outshine" such a Char by being better in his Job ?

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« Reply #128 on: <07-18-11/1051:38> »
I'm sure once we can read the story sections, Rigger X's reasons for using less than the best software on the market will be revealed.

Then again, I'm just getting it for the Miles Lanier info.  He's been my favorite SR character for as long as he's existed and I'm always looking for more about him.

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« Reply #129 on: <07-18-11/1054:08> »
I think optimized and legendary are two different things.  Optimized to me is meta-gaming to squeeze every number out of a process and something you will see on a PC.  Which isn't wholly wrong, your character is supposed to be the center of the story after all.  Legendary is supposed to represent "real" people (NPC's).  And real people aren't optimized and npc's shouldn't be as tightly focused as a PC who's alter ego (player) can focus on the math aspects of his build.
I thought the rules say  "legendary" means 500 karma?
My personal opinion is, "legendary" means you're the best at what you do, no one will ever reach your level of ability and you did all that while being the most awesome dude (or "character") anybody ever met.

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« Reply #130 on: <07-18-11/1112:53> »
(Also, while it's never been entirely consistently used, these style guide rules predate Jason's term as developer)
When writing my list of German extras I made some effort to be consistent with the capitalization in CGL's books, and just to be sure I just checked Arsenal, Spy Games, and the preview of This Old Drone again. It seems like you and whoever wrote RX are the only ones who got that memo, since all instances I found had the whole "Std Upgrades" enumeration capitalized ;)


Still, if that is the official ruling I have to apologize to MikeW in this regard.

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« Reply #131 on: <07-18-11/1115:29> »
My impression is that Street Legends contain people that are talked about in the shadows because of some piece of rep or similar, not because of in-game numbers being uber.
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« Reply #132 on: <07-18-11/1207:55> »
My impression is that Street Legends contain people that are talked about in the shadows because of some piece of rep or similar, not because of in-game numbers being uber.

This is correct. From the introduction, which was part of the preview:

Quote from: Street Legends intro
This isn’t an exhaustive collection of the most interesting people in the Sixth World, or a listing of the people who are at the top of their respective fields. This is a collection of individuals who, for better or for worse, get people talking.

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« Reply #133 on: <07-18-11/1225:55> »
and how do these Individuals get people talking when They're ....just average ?
 

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« Reply #134 on: <07-18-11/1227:26> »
and how do these Individuals get people talking when They're ....just average ?
 

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