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« Reply #15 on: <08-23-20/1444:56> »
Due to NDA (as I understand it), I cannot comment on what's going on with the Carpet/Calliope.  But there are changes to it coming.

I tried to find the original post about this, but couldn't for whatever reason.  Sorry about that.

Thank you all for taking time to post about the book!   ;D
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« Reply #16 on: <08-23-20/1455:14> »
Due to NDA (as I understand it), I cannot comment on what's going on with the Carpet/Calliope.  But there are changes to it coming.

I tried to find the original post about this, but couldn't for whatever reason.  Sorry about that.

Thank you all for taking time to post about the book!   ;D

No need to apologize man. I'll be interested to see the changes when they come out.
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« Reply #17 on: <08-23-20/1531:10> »
Due to NDA (as I understand it), I cannot comment on what's going on with the Carpet/Calliope.  But there are changes to it coming.

I tried to find the original post about this, but couldn't for whatever reason.  Sorry about that.

Thank you all for taking time to post about the book!   ;D

Personal feedback from being in a game where Carpet was used by a player,
was fun. Balanced? Probably not. Fun? Absolutely!

Glad it got added. Created a neat scenario that neutralized a large portion of a threat, but also destroyed part of our retrieval target, reducing our payday. Personally glad it's a thing.

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« Reply #18 on: <08-25-20/1345:09> »
Based on estimated costs of art and the wordcount, Krime Katalog currently has the most "bang for its buck" in digital sales among all Shadowrun products, and is only beat out by House Arano among all CGL products. Only counting DTRPG sales, of course, physical books may beat out Krime Katalog and I don't have a lot of data on Battletech books. Columns R-S detail the best case and worst case estimates.

Krime Katalog makes between $65 - $220 per thousand words with moderate (?) confidence. Next highest "bang for buck" SR product is Free Seattle, making between $30 - $130 per thousand words.

Formula: (Estimated sales - Estimated costs / word count * 1000).

Assumptions: Pay was between 0.005 and 0.03 cents per word. If CanRay got something closet to 0.07 - 0.10 cents per word, this is adjusted. Cost of art was between $10 - $25 each.

This does not include editing/layout, since I am unsure if that's salaried or freelance at CGL. Even if my estimates are off (Suppose CGL does a standard rate of 0.05 cents per word, or does freelance layout at $X per page), the adjustments will be consistent across the board.

So from a cold, money-based standpoint, Krime Katalog is very successful. Also, I'm guessing you can't say, but if you seriously got paid 0.005 cents per word for that you should ask for higher pay next time, your writing is worth a lot more than that.

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« Reply #19 on: <08-25-20/1403:14> »
When you say 0.005 cents per word, do you mean 0.005 $ = 0.5 cents? Otherwise we're talking 20.000 words for 1 dollar.
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« Reply #20 on: <08-25-20/1429:01> »
It's not about the money for me.  I know I seem to beg for positive reviews and the like, but that's my mental health eating away at me, and I really shouldn't be near the Internet at those times.  I'm amazed at every paycheque I get.  And worry that I'd get paid TOO MUCH because I'm on Disability and they get pissy if I deposit too much in my bank account, or cash a cheque that's too big.

And, before you suggest other options, not declaring the money is a way to instantly get kicked off of Disability and landing me on the street.  I also have to explain what "Freelance Contract Work" means to every new worker I get (which sometimes can be up to three or four a year!), as they just can't savvy the fact that I don't get a monthly amount for some strange reason.  Or even a yearly amount.

*Cue People Complaining About Me Being A Leach To The Economic System Here*   :'(
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« Reply #21 on: <08-25-20/1441:30> »
*Cue People Complaining About Me Being A Leach To The Economic System Here*   :'(

Shit dude, you're not even a blip on the economic radar. Jeff Bezos not paying taxes for his multi-billion dollar corp and other horseshit like that are the economic problems.
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« Reply #22 on: <08-25-20/1452:03> »
*Cue People Complaining About Me Being A Leach To The Economic System Here*   :'(
Fuck that. I’m from Europe, where we value social safety nets for the vulnerable. You’re not doing anything wrong.

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« Reply #23 on: <08-25-20/1545:21> »
Thanks folks.  Wish other places I end up were as supportive.

Back to Krime, however...  How about this, what do you think Kane and Many-Name's "Cop Eater" cars have had added to them to be the horror of Security Forces everywhere?
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« Reply #24 on: <08-25-20/1551:59> »
*Cue People Complaining About Me Being A Leach To The Economic System Here*   :'(

Shit dude, you're not even a blip on the economic radar. Jeff Bezos not paying taxes for his multi-billion dollar corp and other horseshit like that are the economic problems.

Yeah, for every millionaire complaining about taxes there are dozen accountants working to make sure they don't actually pay any taxes. 

We didn't crawl out of the caves and into a civilized society by leaving everyone to fend for themselves.  Kind of the whole point of civilization is civility.     

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« Reply #25 on: <08-25-20/1616:56> »
When you say 0.005 cents per word, do you mean 0.005 $ = 0.5 cents? Otherwise we're talking 20.000 words for 1 dollar.

Half a cent per word, or $0.005 USD. This is a representation across companies. There's not a lot of hard data on it. Anecdotally, I've heard a freelancer for CGL say they made $0.03 per word, and a freelancer for modern FASA say they made $0.005 per word.

It's not about the money for me.  I know I seem to beg for positive reviews and the like, but that's my mental health eating away at me, and I really shouldn't be near the Internet at those times.  I'm amazed at every paycheque I get.  And worry that I'd get paid TOO MUCH because I'm on Disability and they get pissy if I deposit too much in my bank account, or cash a cheque that's too big.

And, before you suggest other options, not declaring the money is a way to instantly get kicked off of Disability and landing me on the street.  I also have to explain what "Freelance Contract Work" means to every new worker I get (which sometimes can be up to three or four a year!), as they just can't savvy the fact that I don't get a monthly amount for some strange reason.  Or even a yearly amount.

*Cue People Complaining About Me Being A Leach To The Economic System Here*   :'(

Hey, no worries! My point is just that you should be proud of your work because it's one of the best things published by CGL at the moment.

Thanks folks.  Wish other places I end up were as supportive.

Back to Krime, however...  How about this, what do you think Kane and Many-Name's "Cop Eater" cars have had added to them to be the horror of Security Forces everywhere?

I pictured them like this, but bigger. I never pictured MoMN as a car dude, but I would get one like that...

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« Reply #26 on: <08-26-20/1351:08> »
The Prowler cop car is a full-sized, troll-sized sedan that starts out with a bulldozer blade on the front at the very least.

As for Many-Names turning into a car guy, maybe he was just waiting for the right car?   ;D  Also, I like the idea that the characters are less than the two-dimensional people they sometimes come to be.
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« Reply #27 on: <08-26-20/1442:57> »
The Prowler cop car is a full-sized, troll-sized sedan that starts out with a bulldozer blade on the front at the very least.

As for Many-Names turning into a car guy, maybe he was just waiting for the right car?   ;D  Also, I like the idea that the characters are less than the two-dimensional people they sometimes come to be.

Spot on. Sometimes, the jackpointers start to feel like they're writing a book report, rather than posting on a chat board.

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« Reply #28 on: <08-26-20/1820:29> »
Spot on. Sometimes, the jackpointers start to feel like they're writing a book report, rather than posting on a chat board.
My first book, Safehouses, was /dev/grrl being given a homework assignment by FastJack.

He made her go out and tag transit vehicles (or, alternatively, write lines) when her penmanship wasn't up to snuff for his old man cybereyes.   ;D
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