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« Reply #165 on: (00:16:17/11-09-19) »
Exactly. Which means SR6 has solid less than that in the same time frame.

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« Reply #166 on: (08:32:32/11-09-19) »
And Terminator: Dark Fate has sold more tickets in the same time frame as Avengers: Endgame.

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« Reply #167 on: (20:14:58/11-11-19) »
And Terminator: Dark Fate has sold more tickets in the same time frame as Avengers: Endgame.

Terminator brought in about 30 million over around two weeks while Avengers took in over 1.2 billion in its first weekend alone.

So like... no. No that isn't true at all. That is about 30 times more sales in the first weekend as opposed to the film's two week release lifetime.

The actual issue with falling off the best seller list 'early' isn't that something else is 'beating' SR, it means SR is no longer meaningfully driving sales. Being pushed off the top 10 slot by an RPG that only has moved 100-250 sales isn't saying good things about that RPG, its saying SR has failed to move more than 33 copies in any given week, which is really kinda not great, and if you crunch the numbers unless SR starts releasing twice a month its hard to understand how they are going to be making money off splats.

I think this is something leadership is aware of, as they have alluded to more dramatic action to fix 'the problem.' At a certain point its not supportive to say things are going ok and that troubling information is not troubling.

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« Reply #168 on: (22:35:27/11-11-19) »
One consideration is that Shadowrun is a very old game with an older than average player base. I hate pdfs, I'm sure I'm not the only 30+ player that feels that way. Yes, I know D&D sells tons of pdfs but they also dominate the market in general.
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« Reply #169 on: (23:00:57/11-11-19) »
I don't think its likely physical sales overtake their digital, which would need to be true for this to be an ok situation, but something lending credence to that theory is the dramatic steps CGL takes to appease physical retailers, holding back PDFs for months despite them being ready and scheduled to go out for a while because of printing delays to maintain parity.

That said I have talked to a few store owners in my area and SR despite being a popular game around these parts don't move physical copies at all. Like they basically only order one copy to just have it on shelf at this point, and my local store of choice only picked up 4 copies of SR6 anticipating extremely low demand and not one has sold yet.

The plural of anectdote isn't evidence, obviously, but SR doesn't have a lot of shelf presence and its community is very much oriented towards online spaces and play, so PDFs should be expected to be the norm even more than D&D or Pathfinder, which have organized play societies pushing physical books REALLY hard.

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« Reply #170 on: (23:15:13/11-11-19) »
And Terminator: Dark Fate has sold more tickets in the same time frame as Avengers: Endgame.

Terminator brought in about 30 million over around two weeks while Avengers took in over 1.2 billion in its first weekend alone.

So like... no. No that isn't true at all. That is about 30 times more sales in the first weekend as opposed to the film's two week release lifetime.

The actual issue with falling off the best seller list 'early' isn't that something else is 'beating' SR, it means SR is no longer meaningfully driving sales. Being pushed off the top 10 slot by an RPG that only has moved 100-250 sales isn't saying good things about that RPG, its saying SR has failed to move more than 33 copies in any given week, which is really kinda not great, and if you crunch the numbers unless SR starts releasing twice a month its hard to understand how they are going to be making money off splats.

I think this is something leadership is aware of, as they have alluded to more dramatic action to fix 'the problem.' At a certain point its not supportive to say things are going ok and that troubling information is not troubling.
Yes, but Terminator brought in $29,033,832 the weekend of the 2nd, while Avengers: Endgame made $0 the weekend of the second. Which is the point I was making.

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« Reply #171 on: (23:21:51/11-11-19) »
I don't think its likely physical sales overtake their digital, which would need to be true for this to be an ok situation, but something lending credence to that theory is the dramatic steps CGL takes to appease physical retailers, holding back PDFs for months despite them being ready and scheduled to go out for a while because of printing delays to maintain parity.

That said I have talked to a few store owners in my area and SR despite being a popular game around these parts don't move physical copies at all. Like they basically only order one copy to just have it on shelf at this point, and my local store of choice only picked up 4 copies of SR6 anticipating extremely low demand and not one has sold yet.

The plural of anectdote isn't evidence, obviously, but SR doesn't have a lot of shelf presence and its community is very much oriented towards online spaces and play, so PDFs should be expected to be the norm even more than D&D or Pathfinder, which have organized play societies pushing physical books REALLY hard.
Unfortunately, we won't know until ICv2 releases sales numbers for Summer 2019. Currenty, they only released the numbers for Spring 2019

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« Reply #172 on: (23:36:28/11-11-19) »
I don't think its likely physical sales overtake their digital, which would need to be true for this to be an ok situation, but something lending credence to that theory is the dramatic steps CGL takes to appease physical retailers, holding back PDFs for months despite them being ready and scheduled to go out for a while because of printing delays to maintain parity.

That said I have talked to a few store owners in my area and SR despite being a popular game around these parts don't move physical copies at all. Like they basically only order one copy to just have it on shelf at this point, and my local store of choice only picked up 4 copies of SR6 anticipating extremely low demand and not one has sold yet.

The plural of anectdote isn't evidence, obviously, but SR doesn't have a lot of shelf presence and its community is very much oriented towards online spaces and play, so PDFs should be expected to be the norm even more than D&D or Pathfinder, which have organized play societies pushing physical books REALLY hard.

I don't disagree but I still think my observation is relevant, not every 40 and 50 year old long-term SR fan is buying pdfs. I have seen that SR5 did sell poorly at my local shop although it's a really small town and mostly just D&D players.
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« Reply #173 on: (00:44:01/11-12-19) »
CGL also has its own e-shop, making number-crunching harder.

For what it's worth, I dropped 80 bucks on four Edge+token sets, bought the Beginner Box to have something physical at hand (shame the German Seattle box maps don't fit) and bought several books. Haven't bought PDFs yet, since I have free access to them, and so do others.
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« Reply #174 on: (01:15:47/11-12-19) »
Yeah. It also isn't a BAD thing to make a lot of your sales on PDFs if that is true. It makes your product really accessible but creates issues in terms of casual presence. Part of why I think the LCs are really good for SR is that they sorta are a 'super' Pathfinder League so to speak and help divert people to PDF sales. But as was pointed out the personal shop makes number crunching harder and this assumes they mostly make their online sales on Drivethru, which I think is the more likely scenario but full well might not be, ESPECIALLY if they get a lot of action from people who are there for Battletech!