[Inarai]

  True most mods (and some accessories) do not have slot requirements, but some do based on the physics of how they work. An underbarrel weight needs to be under the barrel. Period. Or it's just dead weight. And as there is only one slot there, the above Ares Alpha can't mount one without losing the grenade launcher. To put it under the GL will require removal of the GL thus loss of the "free" mod point it granted. You could try to weld it under the GL but as a machinist I can tell you that it'd be really bad for you when you went to fire it.

As to the rules regarding the difference between accessories and mods it clearly states. "The difference between the two of them is that accessories can be installed without requiring extensive mechanical knowledge, while modifications require an application of the modification rules mentioned at the beginning of this chapter." Difference, singular, meaning one difference, which is then detailed. Nothing is mentioned of slotted accessories ignoring that rule.

An underbarrel weight needs to be positioned under the barrel, but that's not the same as being on the under barrel mount - if it's on the mount, it is fully external, modular, and separate from the weapon.  The modification becomes a part of the weapon.  In the case of combining it with the grenade launcher, I'd suggest it likely sits between the rifle barrel and the launcher, with the casing being built in around the whole set..

And you're dodging around an important point:  How can you possibly know what mount slots a modification uses if it doesn't say anything about it?  What piece of rules text states that the underbarrel weight modification, being distinct from the accessory bearing the same name, takes the underbarrel slot (and I will not grant you anything from the name, as whatever means you employ to make that determination must be generalizable)?  Modifications are not accessories, yet you seem to be assuming they are subject to all the same rules unless stated otherwise - they are distinct systems.

Well, if the weight mod will work just as well only halfway up the barrel, why make the accessory "underbarrel only"  in the first place.

I have dodged nothing, they are the same thing only mods are more permanently attached, as per Arsenal page 148: "Modifications vs. Accessories
Some of the weapon modifications presented in this list are also available as firearm accessories. The difference between the two of them is that accessories can be installed without requiring extensive mechanical knowledge, while modifications require an application of the modification rules mentioned at
the beginning of this chapter." That's crystal clear to me.

Please answer the question:  How could you ever know what slot a given modification uses, going by rules text alone?

[Loki]

Look at the accessory version of the mod, as other than time skill and permanence they are the same.

[aimlessfreak]

I don't think it matters what slot a mod uses its just a system to show how many mods a weapon can have.  Weapon accessories are really the only time you need to worry about where they go.

[Loki]

I don't think it matters what slot a mod uses its just a system to show how many mods a weapon can have.  Weapon accessories are really the only time you need to worry about where they go.

I disagree due to the "no slots for mods" concept can lead to weapons with multiple "underbarrel" weapons.

[aimlessfreak]

I don't think it matters what slot a mod uses its just a system to show how many mods a weapon can have.  Weapon accessories are really the only time you need to worry about where they go.

I disagree due to the "no slots for mods" concept can lead to weapons with multiple "underbarrel" weapons.

Thats where you have to either be somewhat realistic or your gm just says no

[CanRay]

All I have to say is that I have to pimp slap my AK-97 quite often when I pimp her out, because she never comes back with money!

make sure you don't use your ring hand, don't wanna mess her face up 

Slitch better have my money!

The advantage of mods is that you can customize weapons to your liking.  Bad news is, people can get to learn about how you like your weapons and track you through custom orders or modifications done by only a select few gunsmiths...

Also, there's the issue of "Tacti-Cool", the Ricer equivalent of firearms.

[Loki]

I don't think it matters what slot a mod uses its just a system to show how many mods a weapon can have.  Weapon accessories are really the only time you need to worry about where they go.

I disagree due to the "no slots for mods" concept can lead to weapons with multiple "underbarrel" weapons.

Thats where you have to either be somewhat realistic or your gm just says no

Ah, but it you keep it realistic from word go, by keeping things where they need to be to perform as intended, you'll have less hassle.

[CanRay]

OK, this is a scary thought:  Ares Alpha with a Masterkey System mounted under the integrated underbelly grenade launcher.

[Inarai]

Look at the accessory version of the mod, as other than time skill and permanence they are the same.

Except there are cases where such a thing does not exist, or that they are not identical - I'll note the Underbarrel weight here - the accessory version applies only to full bursts, whereas the modification version applies to all recoil.  And that doesn't actually answer the question, because there's no rules text that says to do so!

As for multiple "underbarrel" weapons:  They take 3 slots, so you could only have 2 and have then used up all your slots, which suggests that the whole thing is a pretty extreme piece of work that would alter the entire weapon.  And given the lack of relation to anything to do with location in rules, you could easily attach the second UW above the regular barrel, quite probably drastically altering the whole top 25-33 percent of the weapon in the process, and the work does require a full facility...  It makes a whole lot more sense when you consider that you're not attaching stuff, but integrating stuff and altering the construction of the weapon to make it happen - hence why you have slots to represent an overall internal capacity to have such modification occur without impacting performance. 

[Rockopolis]

OK, this is a scary thought:  Ares Alpha with a Masterkey System mounted under the integrated underbelly grenade launcher.

I see your scary thought and raise you a Thunderstruck Gauss Rifle with Underbarrel Vindicator Minigun!

[savaze]

I love when rules lawyers have it out!

[Critias]

All I have to say is that I have to pimp slap my AK-97 quite often when I pimp her out, because she never comes back with money!

make sure you don't use your ring hand, don't wanna mess her face up 

Nah, nah.  It's just an AK.  Do whatever you want to it.  Even in real life you don't baby 'em or clean 'em or anything.  Just spit on it and maybe rack the slide a few times when you're done shooting, then throw it back into the gun closet and call it a day.  Meh, it'll be allright.   

[Loki]

Except there are cases where such a thing does not exist, or that they are not identical - I'll note the Underbarrel weight here - the accessory version applies only to full bursts, whereas the modification version applies to all recoil.  And that doesn't actually answer the question, because there's no rules text that says to do so! [quote/]

Yes there is, you're choosing to ignore it. If they acted differently such exception would be noted in the Mods vs Accessories section in Arsenal.

[CanRay]

Nah, nah.  It's just an AK.  Do whatever you want to it.  Even in real life you don't baby 'em or clean 'em or anything.  Just spit on it and maybe rack the slide a few times when you're done shooting, then throw it back into the gun closet and call it a day.  Meh, it'll be allright.   

I'd give her a bit more respect than that.  That's what you do when you have no time for anything else, and she'll still work.

Actually, I heard a story from some folks back from The Sandbox where they captured one fellow that charged at them spraying bullets everywhere but where they were (Didn't even hit the truck!), and they found the sights on his Kalash knock-off were set at maximum range, which was 300 metres.

"That is the setting so that we can kill that many infidels."  He told them through a translator.

The flipside is, Afghanistan is horrendous on equipment of any sort, but SMLEs and AKs are the weapons of choice for the people that live there, as they're reliable even under those harsh conditions.

[aimlessfreak]

Nah, nah.  It's just an AK.  Do whatever you want to it.  Even in real life you don't baby 'em or clean 'em or anything.  Just spit on it and maybe rack the slide a few times when you're done shooting, then throw it back into the gun closet and call it a day.  Meh, it'll be allright.   

I'd give her a bit more respect than that.  That's what you do when you have no time for anything else, and she'll still work.

Actually, I heard a story from some folks back from The Sandbox where they captured one fellow that charged at them spraying bullets everywhere but where they were (Didn't even hit the truck!), and they found the sights on his Kalash knock-off were set at maximum range, which was 300 metres.

"That is the setting so that we can kill that many infidels."  He told them through a translator.

The flipside is, Afghanistan is horrendous on equipment of any sort, but SMLEs and AKs are the weapons of choice for the people that live there, as they're reliable even under those harsh conditions.

I remember a story about someone finding an AK that had the action rusted shut and they beat it against a tree then shoot it