[CanRay]

The next choice came between the Defiance T-250 (as far as I could tell it is a pump) and the Remington.

It's described in the fluff as an Autoloader.  So I'd say Semi-Auto.  Stats back this theory up.  It does look like a traditional pump, however, and might have the option of going either/or like the SPAS-12.

It's also been around since the 1st Edition, which is why I put it on Matilda.

[savaze]

In the middle of my crazy work day, I followed the Benelli link, and had to stop dead for a quiet moment of droolage....

That is a sexy, sexy gun!

benelli's finally bringing the turbular magazine into the modern era!

[Charybdis]

In the middle of my crazy work day, I followed the Benelli link, and had to stop dead for a quiet moment of droolage....

That is a sexy, sexy gun!

benelli's finally bringing the turbular magazine into the modern era!

Tubular magazine needs more airtime. Those Calico SMG's are just soo sweet! Pity they never made it into proper military service or mass production.

Are there any big flaws with them that didn't make the mainstream media?

Edit: This just in. They're back in production.... How intriguing....

[CanRay]

Tubular magazine needs more airtime. Those Calico SMG's are just soo sweet! Pity they never made it into proper military service or mass production.

Are there any big flaws with them that didn't make the mainstream media?

Edit: This just in. They're back in production.... How intriguing....

Yeah, the problem was a Firearms Law that limited the amount of rounds that a magazine could hold in the USA to, um, 10, I think.  Kind of hard to sell a firearm that has a 50-round magazine as the small one with that kind of restriction.  The law just lapsed, so they went back into business.

Oh, and they updated their website since I last looked!

BTW, the magazine limit is 5 for Rifles and 10 for pistols in Canada, IIRC, unless it's been changed on me since I last checked.  That meant that Grandpa and Great-Grandpa's old .303 "Hunting Rifles" (SMLE Mk. III/No.1 and No.4 Bolt-Action Rifles issued in WWI/WWII) had to be modified.  Luckily, I think some smart fellows made a 5-round magazine for them, and they did have a detachable box magazine design (But not like what you see in modern weapons.  They loaded by Chargers or Stripper Clips, same thing, different names.).

[savaze]

Tubular magazine needs more airtime. Those Calico SMG's are just soo sweet! Pity they never made it into proper military service or mass production.

Are there any big flaws with them that didn't make the mainstream media?

Edit: This just in. They're back in production.... How intriguing....

I think that falls into the mantra of:

What people don't understand they fear
What they fear they hate
What they hate they destroy

The old Calico demo is still interesting to watch and I'd get one if I could find it cheap and more importantly if my wife liked to fire it!

[CanRay]

It comes in .22.     Sorry, couldn't help it.

Also found out they're working on kits to add their magazines to the MAC-10 and MAC-11.

100-round magazines of .45 ACP.  Looks like the "Twenty-Teens" could could roar like the '40s did!

[savaze]

Yeah, the problem was a Firearms Law that limited the amount of rounds that a magazine could hold in the USA to, um, 10, I think.  Kind of hard to sell a firearm that has a 50-round magazine as the small one with that kind of restriction.  The law just lapsed, so they went back into business.

Oh, and they updated their website since I last looked!

BTW, the magazine limit is 5 for Rifles and 10 for pistols in Canada, IIRC, unless it's been changed on me since I last checked.  That meant that Grandpa and Great-Grandpa's old .303 "Hunting Rifles" (SMLE Mk. III/No.1 and No.4 Bolt-Action Rifles issued in WWI/WWII) had to be modified.  Luckily, I think some smart fellows made a 5-round magazine for them, and they did have a detachable box magazine design (But not like what you see in modern weapons.  They loaded by Chargers or Stripper Clips, same thing, different names.).

In the US that was part of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban law started in 1994 that lasted for a decade, but has since expired and not succeeded in being reinstated.  High capacity mags are now defined by individual states/cities.

[CanRay]

I didn't know the full details of the US deal, I just knew it expired, so Calico could have some civilian customers again.  Never knew any owners, so can't comment second-hand about them, but they look nice and the idea is grand.  Weight is the big issue, I believe.  100-rounds of 9mm can be quite heavy.  Especially if you're carrying a few magazines of them.

Of course, I really don't want to know what kind of trouble you're getting yourself into if you need a few "Centuries" worth of ammo.

[Loki]

  Looks like the "Twenty-Teens" could could roar like the '40s did!

You ain't kidding brother.

[savaze]

Of course, I really don't want to know what kind of trouble you're getting yourself into if you need a few "Centuries" worth of ammo.

The plot to Homefront happens (gotta love it when the writer of Red Dawn reactualizes his stories)...

Edit:
or guys like this start wandering your neighborhood

[CanRay]

Of course, I really don't want to know what kind of trouble you're getting yourself into if you need a few "Centuries" worth of ammo.

The plot to Homefront happens (gotta love it when the writer of Red Dawn reactualizes his stories)...

Got that on pre-order.  I don't know, something about it speaks to me.  'Course, I'm a video gamer that grew up at the tail end of the Cold War, so...

And every preview I see of the game, I have to really hold myself in and not scream "WOLVERINES!!!"

BTW:  They admit that the possibility is about the same as martians invading, but I've read the timeline listed on the website, and it is POSSIBLE this might happen.

Of course, Canada could possibly invade the USA as well.  I mean, hell, what would they do, call the UN?  "Canada has invaded!"  "Canada?  Really?  Can't be.  Look, are you sure?"  "Yes, they have crappy equipment and are wearing Maple Leaves!"  "OK.  Here's what you do...  Give them some beer and tell them they're being impolite.  They'll apologize and leave.  With the beer."

[savaze]

Got that on pre-order.  I don't know, something about it speaks to me.  'Course, I'm a video gamer that grew up at the tail end of the Cold War, so...

And every preview I see of the game, I have to really hold myself in and not scream "WOLVERINES!!!"

BTW:  They admit that the possibility is about the same as martians invading, but I've read the timeline listed on the website, and it is POSSIBLE this might happen.

Of course, Canada could possibly invade the USA as well.  I mean, hell, what would they do, call the UN?  "Canada has invaded!"  "Canada?  Really?  Can't be.  Look, are you sure?"  "Yes, they have crappy equipment and are wearing Maple Leaves!"  "OK.  Here's what you do...  Give them some beer and tell them they're being impolite.  They'll apologize and leave.  With the beer."

I'm a shooting junkie IRL and in VG's... I've got Homefront and Brink preordered

The beer for Get-Out-of-Jail-Free Cards in Canada seems to be a trend I've seen in the media since the 70's... Hrmm, What's going on up there?

[CanRay]

We just really like our beer.  At a local military museum, I saw Beer Rations from WWI.

One of the civilian tactics for dealing with an invading army is to drink them under the table and having them wake up in a snow bank (Or in the mud, if summer) without their kit.  We might have an issue with Eastern Europeans, but that's about it.  And, frankly, we have so many of them and their descendants I'm sure we'll figure something out.

[KarmaInferno]

Those Calico SMG's are just soo sweet! Pity they never made it into proper military service or mass production.

Are there any big flaws with them that didn't make the mainstream media?

Edit: This just in. They're back in production.... How intriguing....

Well, there is the issue where the sights are attached to the one part of the weapon that will get removed and swapped all the time, and is likely to loosen up slightly due to normal wear and tear. Plus the magazine is so far back that shooting is going to shift the balance of the weapon just because the weight of the rounds being expended.

I much prefer the Bizon/PP-90M1 takes on the helical magazine.


-k

[CanRay]

Yeah, a Wandering Zero is always a bad thing, however, we're talking about a SMG here, not exactly the more accurate of weapons to begin with.  With 50- or 100-rounds, we're pretty much talking a lead hose anyhow.

Their carbine and pistol versions, more of an issue.