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« Reply #30 on: (14:15:56/06-26-19) »
Incidentally, in my campaign, with the old skill system of SR4 and SR5, 'that NPC used a sword well but you know for a fact he only uses clubs and fists' once was a big hint that said mundane NPC was pulling Spirit shenanigans somehow.
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« Reply #31 on: (14:20:16/06-26-19) »
I don't know for sure but I'd hazard a guess that's supposed to be Unarmed Attack Rating.
I also guessed unarmed attack rating, do we know how it's calculated? It's clearly not Agi+Unarmed, it's clearly not Str+Unarmed, and it's also not Str+Agi+Unarmed. It could be Agi+Unarmed x str or the reverse.
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« Reply #32 on: (14:27:12/06-26-19) »
Why use a sword in 5e? The most common answer was Weapon Foci. You couldn't make a gun weapon focus. Are weapon foci a thing in 6e?
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« Reply #33 on: (14:27:24/06-26-19) »
I don't know for sure but I'd hazard a guess that's supposed to be Unarmed Attack Rating.
I also guessed unarmed attack rating, do we know how it's calculated? It's clearly not Agi+Unarmed, it's clearly not Str+Unarmed, and it's also not Str+Agi+Unarmed. It could be Agi+Unarmed x str or the reverse.

Str+ Rea
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« Reply #34 on: (14:28:26/06-26-19) »
I don't know for sure but I'd hazard a guess that's supposed to be Unarmed Attack Rating.
I also guessed unarmed attack rating, do we know how it's calculated? It's clearly not Agi+Unarmed, it's clearly not Str+Unarmed, and it's also not Str+Agi+Unarmed. It could be Agi+Unarmed x str or the reverse.

Str+ Rea

Interesting. I assume that's a defense rating then?
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« Reply #35 on: (14:37:01/06-26-19) »
no, that's the attack rating ... defense is still Body+Armor
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« Reply #36 on: (14:40:03/06-26-19) »
Why use a sword in 5e? The most common answer was Weapon Foci. You couldn't make a gun weapon focus. Are weapon foci a thing in 6e?

Or you were strong enough it was bad ass. Unless cyber or magic enhances melee damage I canít see anyone using one this edition.

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« Reply #37 on: (15:15:22/06-26-19) »
Why use a sword in 5e? The most common answer was Weapon Foci. You couldn't make a gun weapon focus. Are weapon foci a thing in 6e?

Or you were strong enough it was bad ass. Unless cyber or magic enhances melee damage I canít see anyone using one this edition.

Style.  RPees.  Pixie.  Reach (if that is still a thing).  Weapon Focus for more attack dice (if Weapon Foci work like previous editions).  Physical damage instead of Stun.  Strength dump stat, but don't want a monowhip.  Punching Fire Spirits really hurts.  Specialization / Focus /Whatever the 6th edition thing is called doesn't work for Unarmed much like it didn't in 5th. 

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« Reply #38 on: (15:22:14/06-26-19) »
no, that's the attack rating ... defense is still Body+Armor
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« Reply #39 on: (17:05:31/06-26-19) »
The card for the sword Has a DV of 3P and an AV of 9. The Predator that Rude gets a DV of 4P and AV of 9 at close. Why would Rude ever use the sword beside RP?

why would you have used a sword over the predator in earlier editions?
only book I have currently available to check is 5E ... assuming a strength of 5 or less the sword is less accurate and does the same damage or less

Same with 3rd. Katanas and swords are less concealable then a Predator III, and have higher cost and avaliability. You need a Str 6 with a katana, and Str 7 with a sword to match the damage of the Predator.

AKA, don't bring a sword to a gun fight. Bring it to look bad-ass when meeting the Yakuza!

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« Reply #40 on: (17:10:18/06-26-19) »
Why use a sword in 5e? The most common answer was Weapon Foci. You couldn't make a gun weapon focus. Are weapon foci a thing in 6e?

Or you were strong enough it was bad ass. Unless cyber or magic enhances melee damage I canít see anyone using one this edition.

Style.  RPees.  Pixie.  Reach (if that is still a thing).  Weapon Focus for more attack dice (if Weapon Foci work like previous editions).  Physical damage instead of Stun.  Strength dump stat, but don't want a monowhip.  Punching Fire Spirits really hurts.  Specialization / Focus /Whatever the 6th edition thing is called doesn't work for Unarmed much like it didn't in 5th. 

Mostly RPees.

Eh Spirit armor is really strong again right? So if weapon foci still by pass magic hardened armor and still add dice and assuming  Adept powers are liked they used to be I don't see why folk wouldn't. Dump str, jack body to max, get your weapon focus katana out, max adept initiative, it's a classic build. No reason in the 6e idiom that's been discussed so far it shouldn't work. 
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« Reply #41 on: (10:58:16/06-28-19) »
no, that's the attack rating ... defense is still Body+Armor

6 is a relatively low AR. Which it should be for the Rigger character. Average DR in box set seems to be 7.

From box set it play, it does seem that there is no more standing out in the open and exchanging fire, however. You should always spend a minor action on "find cover". The mage has a lower initiative and he was caught out in the open for the first round and was obliterated. He would have died, not unconscious, but died in the first round, if I hadn't forbid it. We were doing literal Battle Royale.

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« Reply #42 on: (11:59:12/06-28-19) »
The card for the sword Has a DV of 3P and an AV of 9. The Predator that Rude gets a DV of 4P and AV of 9 at close. Why would Rude ever use the sword beside RP?

why would you have used a sword over the predator in earlier editions?
only book I have currently available to check is 5E ... assuming a strength of 5 or less the sword is less accurate and does the same damage or less

Same with 3rd. Katanas and swords are less concealable then a Predator III, and have higher cost and avaliability. You need a Str 6 with a katana, and Str 7 with a sword to match the damage of the Predator.

AKA, don't bring a sword to a gun fight. Bring it to look bad-ass when meeting the Yakuza!

Though if you had a 9 strength it was hitting for 12m. Depending on edition you might have dikote to make it S damage. At that point itís cool and effective.

Which imo works. Guns generally should be better but for superhuman characters them getting more bang out if melee also works. From what weíve seen so far even people superhumanly strong are less effective with a sword than a heavy pistol. I donít consider that a good thing.

People say donít bring a sword to a gun fight and for normal people thatís valid. Though Superman would be ridiculously less effective with a pistol. While SR characters arenít on that scale of superhuman they are still superhuman they move faster, close distances in a blink of an eye and can hit harder than most guns. If built for it melee should be incredibly deadly. When you can run 60mph and kick bank vault doors off their hinges how effective melee is for you is on a slightly different scale than our reality. Sure at long ranged none of that matters but in a office complex you probably arenít at long ranges very often.

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« Reply #43 on: (12:14:19/06-28-19) »
The card for the sword Has a DV of 3P and an AV of 9. The Predator that Rude gets a DV of 4P and AV of 9 at close. Why would Rude ever use the sword beside RP?

why would you have used a sword over the predator in earlier editions?
only book I have currently available to check is 5E ... assuming a strength of 5 or less the sword is less accurate and does the same damage or less

Same with 3rd. Katanas and swords are less concealable then a Predator III, and have higher cost and avaliability. You need a Str 6 with a katana, and Str 7 with a sword to match the damage of the Predator.

AKA, don't bring a sword to a gun fight. Bring it to look bad-ass when meeting the Yakuza!

Though if you had a 9 strength it was hitting for 12m. Depending on edition you might have dikote to make it S damage. At that point itís cool and effective.

Which imo works. Guns generally should be better but for superhuman characters them getting more bang out if melee also works. From what weíve seen so far even people superhumanly strong are less effective with a sword than a heavy pistol. I donít consider that a good thing.

People say donít bring a sword to a gun fight and for normal people thatís valid. Though Superman would be ridiculously less effective with a pistol. While SR characters arenít on that scale of superhuman they are still superhuman they move faster, close distances in a blink of an eye and can hit harder than most guns. If built for it melee should be incredibly deadly. When you can run 60mph and kick bank vault doors off their hinges how effective melee is for you is on a slightly different scale than our reality. Sure at long ranged none of that matters but in a office complex you probably arenít at long ranges very often.

Most of us don't have enough to make that call. Those that have seen the full book hint that there are rules in place that make it a viable option. We will know at GenCon. In the basic set, it isn't a viable option.

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« Reply #44 on: (12:29:50/06-28-19) »
 Twice in the last few days, people who canít speak fully due to NDA have said that in the full rules strength is not a dump stat for melee characters. To what extent that it matters we will have to wait-and-see.