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« Reply #210 on: <09-01-18/1743:37> »
Did someone mention 7 successes needed? I don't have my limits-table at hand anymore (those predate SR5 and had both % and 1/X for Y+ hits on Z dice for ALL possibilities), but I can just ask AnyDice real quick.
15 dice: 20.30% (~1/5)
16 dice: 26.26% (~1/4)
17 dice: 32.61% (~1/3)
18 dice: 39.15% (~2/5)
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« Reply #211 on: <09-01-18/2022:14> »
The topic came up and i failed to comment then.

• Players may amend previously created characters
and retroactively purchase a stream.
• Streams cost 20 Karma to purchase and are
not subject to the double cost of qualities
after creation.

You don't have to buy them at creation if you choose not to, and will only ever cost you 20 karma.
Just FYI.
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« Reply #212 on: <09-02-18/1226:29> »
The topic came up and i failed to comment then.

• Players may amend previously created characters
and retroactively purchase a stream.
• Streams cost 20 Karma to purchase and are
not subject to the double cost of qualities
after creation.

You don't have to buy them at creation if you choose not to, and will only ever cost you 20 karma.
Just FYI.

Given that you can only spend 25 Karma for Positive Qualities at Chargen*, it´s probably not that bad of an idea to buy the Stream Later and buy other Qualities at Chargen instead. It is a pitty that you can´t trade Complex Forms Karma from Priorities Building for this, like Mages can do with Spells and Masteries  :-\

*Now that I think about it: Do Streams actually count as Positive Qualities?
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« Reply #213 on: <09-02-18/1235:32> »
*Now that I think about it: Do Streams actually count as Positive Qualities?

Not entirely clear.  Clockwork compares them to Adept Ways:
Quote from: Clockwork, Kill Code, page 86
I’d compare them to adept ways instead of magical traditions.

Is the closest we get.  And Adept Ways are Positive Qualities.

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« Reply #214 on: <09-02-18/1253:02> »
They do not. Those rules are straight out of Kill Code, and ways don't count any longer ether. Ways just happen to be totally useless in 5th.
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« Reply #215 on: <09-02-18/1315:07> »
They do not. Those rules are straight out of Kill Code, and ways don't count any longer ether. Ways just happen to be totally useless in 5th.

Not true. Entirely.....


Ways are the Hot Sauce Dip that comes with you Cajun Inferno buffalo wings.... a nice, but pointless, dressing.
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« Reply #216 on: <09-02-18/1325:40> »
*Now that I think about it: Do Streams actually count as Positive Qualities?

Not entirely clear.

Brain Fart time.

They are listed just like Adept Ways are:

Quote from: Kill Code, page 89
NEW TECHNOMANCER
QUALITIES:
RESONANT STREAMS

So yes Adept Ways and Resonance Streams are Qualities - until an Errata says otherwise.

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« Reply #217 on: <09-02-18/1432:04> »
*Now that I think about it: Do Streams actually count as Positive Qualities?

Not entirely clear.

Brain Fart time.

They are listed just like Adept Ways are:

Quote from: Kill Code, page 89
NEW TECHNOMANCER
QUALITIES:
RESONANT STREAMS

So yes Adept Ways and Resonance Streams are Qualities - until an Errata says otherwise.

Whether you call them qualities or not they aren't subject to the quality double cost. So it's meaningless if they are qualities. You can buy them with Karma at creation. Just like ways, it just happens that all the streams are OP and ways are utter useless.
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« Reply #218 on: <09-02-18/1437:04> »

Not true. Entirely.....


Ways are the Hot Sauce Dip that comes with you Cajun Inferno buffalo wings.... a nice, but pointless, dressing.

I will endeavor to explore that example  further with some pepto and a lot of bread on hand, and i'll get back to you when I know more.
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« Reply #219 on: <09-02-18/1534:44> »
So it's meaningless if they are qualities.

No, it isn't meaningless.

It means that they count towards the 25 Karma point limit at chargen, just like Finstersang asked about.

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« Reply #220 on: <09-02-18/1554:48> »
Really, this topic attracted at least half a dozen spambots the past day. I blame all of y'all.
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« Reply #221 on: <09-02-18/2106:58> »
Really, this topic attracted at least half a dozen spambots the past day. I blame all of y'all.

How?
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« Reply #222 on: <09-02-18/2217:02> »
It's cause I trash talk the spam bots. They are out to get me know.
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« Reply #223 on: <09-03-18/0055:35> »
A dozen isn't an exaggeration by the way, which you might miss due to the cleanup by the mods: Somehow someone posted the right keywords to attract them, because after I posted 'at least half a dozen' I already reported half a dozen more.

7 awaiting moderation already again. =)
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« Reply #224 on: <09-03-18/0854:04> »
I’m impressed by the sheer amount of bots ... saddening really
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