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« Reply #840 on: <10-02-16/1641:10> »
Hate to say it, but you pretty much nailed it on the head Mirikon.

I have always had this feeling the TMs were designed by someone at FanPro (the company that started SR4e) that really had "Transhumanist" vision for SR. (Which came through in many Fanpro books, then lessened a lot after Catalyst took over).

But, now Catalyst was stuck. They had an archtype set up in such a way that didn't really fit with their vision or their view of the game world....

And along comes 5e.... and they make TMs the way they want... but thanks both rule changes and character creation rules, TMs are now broken and too weak to be viable and need a lot of work....

Almost to the point that I almost feel we may see them write out TMs entirely... As I am not sure how they can save TMs without basically rewriting the entire matrix or character rules.
(But I hope they can do something!)
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« Reply #841 on: <10-04-16/0302:07> »
Honestly? At this point I've pretty much given up on 5E, and hoping that 6E comes soon.
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« Reply #842 on: <10-04-16/0318:05> »
Honestly? At this point I've pretty much given up on 5E, and hoping that 6E comes soon.

oh God no.....

I can just see that going like DnD4e into DND next....  With there 50 books released then almost rendered useless 5 years later....


HTOH, bite the bullet now, get a fleshed out, solid updated product, Call it SR 5.5!

Kind of like the MASSIVE rewrite of DnD 3e that lead to DnD 3.5 where they fixed a lot of REALLY broken shit! Such as the HARM spell....
(In DnD 3.0, it was a touch attack, had no saving throw, and reduced you to 1d4 hp....Great Wyrm Dragons around the realm sudden exploded into gooey bits when Priests gained that spell. They changed it to touch attack, 10 HP damage per level, and had a saving throw.)




hmmmm... kind of liking that idea.... take 5e call it a dry run, Fix the major errors and release 5.5e... Kind of like how the SR4a was an update for SR4....

(anyone remember the problems in the 4e book and all the changes that came into play in the 4eA book?)
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« Reply #843 on: <10-04-16/0503:39> »
HTOH, bite the bullet now, get a fleshed out, solid updated product, Call it SR 5.5!

Or "Shadowrun 5 - 30th Anniversary Edition" a.k.a. SR5A. And release it for Christmas 2018, just in time for the actual anniversary of the game (1989 - 2019) ;)

One thing is sure: I would probably not buy a 6th edition that would invalidate all my SR5 books -- I have no space left on my shelves.
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« Reply #844 on: <10-04-16/0644:29> »
HTOH, bite the bullet now, get a fleshed out, solid updated product, Call it SR 5.5!

Or "Shadowrun 5 - 30th Anniversary Edition" a.k.a. SR5A. And release it for Christmas 2018, just in time for the actual anniversary of the game (1989 - 2019) ;)

One thing is sure: I would probably not buy a 6th edition that would invalidate all my SR5 books -- I have no space left on my shelves.

BUY A NEW SHELF!!!

(I hear you, I have 2 8 foot book shelves loaded with game books from various games.. its a bitch to pack up and move every few years)
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« Reply #845 on: <10-04-16/0809:32> »
HTOH, bite the bullet now, get a fleshed out, solid updated product, Call it SR 5.5!

Or "Shadowrun 5 - 30th Anniversary Edition" a.k.a. SR5A. And release it for Christmas 2018, just in time for the actual anniversary of the game (1989 - 2019) ;)

One thing is sure: I would probably not buy a 6th edition that would invalidate all my SR5 books -- I have no space left on my shelves.

BUY A NEW SHELF!!!

(I hear you, I have 2 8 foot book shelves loaded with game books from various games.. its a bitch to pack up and move every few years)

Oh that word! It pains me so! After moving four times in under a year, the thought of all those books just pains me.

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« Reply #846 on: <10-04-16/0810:41> »
HTOH, bite the bullet now, get a fleshed out, solid updated product, Call it SR 5.5!

Or "Shadowrun 5 - 30th Anniversary Edition" a.k.a. SR5A. And release it for Christmas 2018, just in time for the actual anniversary of the game (1989 - 2019) ;)

One thing is sure: I would probably not buy a 6th edition that would invalidate all my SR5 books -- I have no space left on my shelves.

BUY A NEW SHELF!!!

(I hear you, I have 2 8 foot book shelves loaded with game books from various games.. its a bitch to pack up and move every few years)

Oh that word! It pains me so! After moving four times in under a year, the thought of all those books just pains me.

And I thought I moved a lot!
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« Reply #847 on: <10-04-16/1247:04> »
HTOH, bite the bullet now, get a fleshed out, solid updated product, Call it SR 5.5!

Or "Shadowrun 5 - 30th Anniversary Edition" a.k.a. SR5A. And release it for Christmas 2018, just in time for the actual anniversary of the game (1989 - 2019) ;)

One thing is sure: I would probably not buy a 6th edition that would invalidate all my SR5 books -- I have no space left on my shelves.

BUY A NEW SHELF!!!

(I hear you, I have 2 8 foot book shelves loaded with game books from various games.. its a bitch to pack up and move every few years)

Oh that word! It pains me so! After moving four times in under a year, the thought of all those books just pains me.

And I thought I moved a lot!

So did I, and I had to sell off all of my books last time I moved. *sobs*
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« Reply #848 on: <10-04-16/1336:49> »
The technomancer book is in progress. I know this because people working on it have sent me errata suggestions for both Core and Data Trails, some of which should be going live soon, and some more of which is still under discussion. It's not a lot of stuff, but when it hits, it should help.
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« Reply #849 on: <10-04-16/1456:37> »
Well that's great to know Patrick, thank you!

And if they have forwarded errata for you, that tells me they are trying to fix the poor state TMs are currently in.....

Maybe there is hope.
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« Reply #850 on: <10-04-16/1545:14> »
Thanks Patrick.

that is good news and look forward to seeing what they turn out :)
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« Reply #851 on: <10-04-16/2019:33> »
The technomancer book is in progress. I know this because people working on it have sent me errata suggestions for both Core and Data Trails, some of which should be going live soon, and some more of which is still under discussion. It's not a lot of stuff, but when it hits, it should help.

This what I was talking about when I said I can understand why the TM  book might be delayed . Fix the problems with the current stuff first then once that is done use it as a foundation  to put out a book full of new stuff.

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« Reply #852 on: <10-04-16/2055:25> »
Glad you can recgognize that Fabe.
There are few who seem to ask every other day when the book is getting released.
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« Reply #853 on: <10-04-16/2355:14> »
Glad you can recgognize that Fabe.
There are few who seem to ask every other day when the book is getting released.

Well, if Data Trails had done a better job of correcting and strengthening TMs (in regards to correcting the apparent nerfing of them), then we wouldn't have to hope for the crunch of the TM book.
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« Reply #854 on: <10-05-16/0003:11> »
There is nothing wrong with wanting a product, or wanting the occasional possible updaye on a product. But, again, asking every other day for an update....

How can I put this..... makes the person come across as a petulant 5 year old standing in a line with his mother, going:

"Can I have this?Can I have this?Can I have this?Can I have this?Can I have this?Can I have this?Can I have this?Can I have this?Can I have this?Can I have this?Can I have this?Can I have this?Can I have this?"


Personally I don't want see AJ pull the mom card and go:
"NO! I told you 'no' 3 times, if I have to tell you again, you're going over my knee!!"
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