[Dead Monky]

Fair enough.

[Crimsondude]

So to go back to the OP the CAS has SEALs (Cyberpirates!) and Special Forces (I cannot fnd the book ref but I know they exist). It would be easier to know who to look for but really there is not much info despite twenty years worth of people asking.

[Batarevo]

so what happened to S-K SSG Crimson?

[Charybdis]

I imagine one or more of the various German states would maintain something at least resembling it.

You got to wonder how special a Spec force team is when they come from a really small nation state without huge budgets.  Special Forces take millions of dollars to train and equip. 

Check out the Australian SAS some time. We're not a big population (around 22M, compared to Canada at 33M, and the USA at around 310M), and we don't have a big military budget.... don't have stats for it... but I can assure you the USA beats us hands down on military spending

But if you've ever served with the Australia, British (or even New Zealand) SAS in a joint exercise, from any military service from any country in any engagement, you will see that they're up there with the best in the world.

As a general rule, the Australian public has no idea where all SAS troops are at any given time. But we do know they were in hostile countries such as Afghanistan and the Gulf a long time before any official Army/Navy/Air Force troops were committed to the conflict. The SAS are sneaky...

[CanRay]

Canada's JTF-2 (Joint Task Force-Two) is the same way.

In fact, it was hilarious a little while ago:  They had to order a Court Marshal Hearing for one of them.  Problem is, all the officers in question didn't have the clearance to know *ANYTHING*.

I'm not talking about just the operation, but anything at all!

"What's the person's name?"  "Classified."  "Rank?"  "Classified."  "Location?"  "Classified."  "Charge?"  "Classified."  "...  ...  ...  So somebody whose name and rank we don't know, did something we don't know that was bad enough to warrant this hearing to see if he's guilty or innocent, in a place we can't hear about?"  "Exactly."  "Not guilty on grounds of not enough evidence."

[Charybdis]

Canada's JTF-2 (Joint Task Force-Two) is the same way.

In fact, it was hilarious a little while ago:  They had to order a Court Marshal Hearing for one of them.  Problem is, all the officers in question didn't have the clearance to know *ANYTHING*.

I'm not talking about just the operation, but anything at all!

"What's the person's name?"  "Classified."  "Rank?"  "Classified."  "Location?"  "Classified."  "Charge?"  "Classified."  "...  ...  ...  So somebody whose name and rank we don't know, did something we don't know that was bad enough to warrant this hearing to see if he's guilty or innocent, in a place we can't hear about?"  "Exactly."  "Not guilty on grounds of not enough evidence."

Ahh, the technicalities of the legal system

Sets a very bad precedent for other JTF-2 members though. Basically now have carte blanche to ignore the military justice system...

Dangerous precedent indeed...

[CanRay]

Come on, it's the Canadians!  What's the worst that could happen?  *The Joker Grin*  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!  Heh heh...  _Heh.

[bigity]

Intelligence field folks who flew pulled that classified crap all the time for medals.  They'd put themselves in for an award and then claim all the details were classified to they'd basically be auto-approved.

Pissed me off to no end, because that was points they had toward promotion that nobody else could compete against.

[CanRay]

I'm willing to bet that JTF-2, the various SAS and SBS, and I bet the US Military SpecOps forces have a tendency of earning what they do have.

And, if anything, are probably understated.

[bigity]

Oh yea no doubt,  I just hated that particular arguement for something 100 percent undeserving of it, like going on a routine Rivet Joint flight that doesn't even cross over to some other nation's boundaries.

[Crimsondude]

so what happened to S-K SSG Crimson?

*shrugs*

S-K isn't my wheelhouse.

It seems weird that Australia would combine their intelligence and security services into one monolithic (relatively speaking) secret police unit that probably runs SASR outright.

Ha!
London SB is so funny. SAS as a secret police force. Of course, it was shadowtalk. Things changed over the years to make it clear that SAS is still SAS, but the LPO Oversight Board and Office (which basically polices the OB and the rest of the LPO among other things having to do with the druids) has influence because their relationship with MI5 and MI6 dragged them into the machinations of the politicians in the OB. I thought it was a pretty awesomely SR system as I describe it in SG myself, especially in light of the changes going on in the UK since 6WA.

In fact, it was hilarious a little while ago:  They had to order a Court Marshal Hearing for one of them.  Problem is, all the officers in question didn't have the clearance to know *ANYTHING*.

That's like how the few (if any) people who know or are cleared to know about all of the DoD's "special access programs" do not include the President or the Secretary of Defense.

[CanRay]

In fact, it was hilarious a little while ago:  They had to order a Court Marshal Hearing for one of them.  Problem is, all the officers in question didn't have the clearance to know *ANYTHING*.

That's like how the few (if any) people who know or are cleared to know about all of the DoD's "special access programs" do not include the President or the Secretary of Defense.

Canadian Security Clearances work a little differently than the ones in the USA.  I was a reference for someone to get his security clearance (Friend of mine is an officer in the Canadian Armed Forces and had to get cleared to go to the Royal Military College), so I got a bit of an info-dump on how it worked from the CSIS agent that interviewed me.

Freaked me the hell out when he showed up, BTW, with my family background.    And then he tried to recruit me.

...

You know, that doesn't speak well of CSIS in some ways...

[Charybdis]

Canadian Security Clearances work a little differently than the ones in the USA.  I was a reference for someone to get his security clearance (Friend of mine is an officer in the Canadian Armed Forces and had to get cleared to go to the Royal Military College), so I got a bit of an info-dump on how it worked from the CSIS agent that interviewed me.

Freaked me the hell out when he showed up, BTW, with my family background.    And then he tried to recruit me.
...
You know, that doesn't speak well of CSIS in some ways...

It's always good to have the crazies on YOUR side... that's probably the angle they were playing

[CanRay]

It's always good to have the crazies on YOUR side... that's probably the angle they were playing

Maybe, but I didn't even have a College Diploma at that time.  I wasn't exactly what most people would consider a "Really Good Hire" for a lot of reasons.

But, I had employment, no criminal record (Still don't), and was one of the most upstanding citizens he knew.  So I got to talk to the nice former RCMP branch...

[Nath]

Ha!
London SB is so funny. SAS as a secret police force. Of course, it was shadowtalk. Things changed over the years to make it clear that SAS is still SAS, but the LPO Oversight Board and Office (which basically polices the OB and the rest of the LPO among other things having to do with the druids) has influence because their relationship with MI5 and MI6 dragged them into the machinations of the politicians in the OB.

Less funny when you go back to the Eighties (London Sourcebook got out in 1991). The SAS and Army Intelligence Corps were operating undercover in Northern Ireland to gather intelligence and arrest terrorists (sometimes with extreme prejudice). Obviously, there is nothing really solid on their operations, but there has been quite some literature and media coverage on the so-called 'Shoot-to kill' policy since.