[UnLimiTeD]

You still need to upgrade the hardware. I can't quite remember where it says that right now, you'll have to look it up, but when in doubt, I think it was mentioned in the Errata thread.

[RiggerBob]

It's in the vehicle modification chapter...

Enhancing a drone’s Pilot program takes more than just loading a new program: select chips on the hardware set are replaced and upgraded, new communication channels are installed to enhance information gathering, and control systems are upgraded to provide improved sensitivity and additional maneuvering  options.

[adzling]

So drones can only run pilot/2 autosofts at once.
That effectively limits almost all drones to one or two autosofts.

Does anyone else find this just a bit overlimiting for riggers?

Of course they can use and RCC but what do folks think about this as a balance issue?

Wouldn't it make more sense/ balance to have drones be able to load their Pilot rating in autosofts?

Interested to hear your thoughts.

cheers

[falar]

So drones can only run pilot/2 autosofts at once.
That effectively limits almost all drones to one or two autosofts.

Most drones (other than intentionally dumb ones) can run three autosofts with appropriate upgrades (Pilot 5).

I don't find this a problem for Riggers. The point is that drones, when not supported by an RCC, aren't as boss. I think that's a perfectly good design decision.

What I don't think is a great design decision are the following:

• You can't run enough autosofts on an RCC to handle multiple drone models well at the same time. It just doesn't work.
• Multiple different drones/vehicles are kind of the concept of a rigger

I think an RCC should have something like:

• 2x Device Rating slots for Model specific Autosofts
• Device Rating slots for non-Specific Autosofts (Electronic Warfare, First Aid)
• Noise Rating Reduction + Bonus Slots = Device Rating

I also think autosoft ratings shouldn't be bound by the RCC's Device Rating.

[adzling]

Pilot 5 is 16F, so not possible in Chargen and relatively hard to get post chargen.
So all starting Riggers will have max Pilot 4, and most non-elites riggers will also have Pilot 4.

Yeah I agree that rigging multiple different drones on an RCC is challenging....

[UnLimiTeD]

Unless you concentrate of a bunch of the same, Drones are pretty much balanced around swarm now.
Which is absurdly powerful.
Yeah, the basic system makes them kind of useless.

[adzling]

We are restricting Swarm to same drones, same weapons systems.

(so you cant have a bunch of cheapass fly-spys boost your damage output drone to crazy levels)

[Tinkerbell]

So drones can only run pilot/2 autosofts at once.
That effectively limits almost all drones to one or two autosofts.

Most drones (other than intentionally dumb ones) can run three autosofts with appropriate upgrades (Pilot 5).

I don't find this a problem for Riggers. The point is that drones, when not supported by an RCC, aren't as boss. I think that's a perfectly good design decision.

What I don't think is a great design decision are the following:

• You can't run enough autosofts on an RCC to handle multiple drone models well at the same time. It just doesn't work.
• Multiple different drones/vehicles are kind of the concept of a rigger

I think an RCC should have something like:

• 2x Device Rating slots for Model specific Autosofts
• Device Rating slots for non-Specific Autosofts (Electronic Warfare, First Aid)
• Noise Rating Reduction + Bonus Slots = Device Rating

I also think autosoft ratings shouldn't be bound by the RCC's Device Rating.

That's exactly what I think. Drones beeing weak without RCC is totally ok. But RCC should be stronger to support different drone models.
I tryed to build some house rules for RCCs and autosofts here: http://forums.shadowruntabletop.com/index.php?topic=22990.0

[UnLimiTeD]

We are restricting Swarm to same drones, same weapons systems.

(so you cant have a bunch of cheapass fly-spys boost your damage output drone to crazy levels)

You can actually install grenade launchers on them.

[Marcus Gideon]

We are restricting Swarm to same drones, same weapons systems.

(so you cant have a bunch of cheapass fly-spys boost your damage output drone to crazy levels)

You can actually install grenade launchers on them.

Unless I'm missing a reference somewhere, you can mount (Body / 3, round down) weapon slots. Which means you need at least Body 3 to mount anything. Fly Spies only have Body 1.

[adzling]

yeah i know
however by RAW you can have a single large drone bear the weapon and have a fleet of non-weaponized fly-spy drones provide the swarm bonus!

[Rift_0f_Bladz]

We are restricting Swarm to same drones, same weapons systems.

(so you cant have a bunch of cheapass fly-spys boost your damage output drone to crazy levels)

You can actually install grenade launchers on them.

Unless I'm missing a reference somewhere, you can mount (Body / 3, round down) weapon slots. Which means you need at least Body 3 to mount anything. Fly Spies only have Body 1.

Rigger 5.0 mini weapons mount. Single shot pistol or micro grenade.

[Herr Brackhaus]

Body / 3 is core; Rigger 5.0 has no such limitation listed, and since later publications effectively supersede old ones, well...

[Novocrane]

You can actually install grenade launchers on [fly-spys].

Has someone clarified "single-shot grenade" to be something other than a single-shot grenade?

[Herr Brackhaus]

Not to my knowledge, no.