[falar]

Wakshaani, why do you hate riggers so much? I mean, not only did you increase repair costs to 5% per box of damage, but you also now made it impossible to recover software from a broken drone, a broken drone is worth exactly 0¥, AND we can't copy a program even though Data Trails doesn't even have any rules on copy protection? Seriously?

Dude. Wakshaani is the freelancer who's trying to make riggers better the most. He may have made some mistakes - but his heart's in the right place. Chill out.

[UnLimiTeD]

As for why that's in the reddit:
Have you seen the Errata thread here?
Bunch of good points, but buried under several pages of subjective discussion, some of it not really what I'd call "constructive". I can see that being a bit disheartening.
Still, that'd be a massive change. Good to know.

[AJCarrington]

Aaaaand there we go. That is, for lack of a better term, absolutely bat-shit crazy.

Wakshaani, why do you hate riggers so much? I mean, not only did you increase repair costs to 5% per box of damage, but you also now made it impossible to recover software from a broken drone, a broken drone is worth exactly 0¥, AND we can't copy a program even though Data Trails doesn't even have any rules on copy protection? Seriously?

That's it, I'm house ruling this whole book... I can't agree with any of the directions drones and riggers are being taken in, so I'm just going to make up my own rules at this point.

To quote my parents: "I'm not mad, just disappointed." *shakes head*

Completely out of line. No issue with disagreement and criticism...personal attacks simply have no place here.

Herr Brackhaus...please excuse yourself from this thread.

Shadowrun Mod

[Jack_Spade]

I don't believe the bit about autosofts being so specific that they can be installed only on one drone at all - otherwise sharing over an RCC would be impossible.
Should this clarification find its way into an official Errata, I suspect getting a crappy RCC with Virtual Machine will be the way to go to avoid this restriction.

[revan.be]

It's nice that these critical pieces of information are posted on random threads on the internet instead of being included in the rulebooks that govern how the game is played.

This way I get to spend countless hours trying to figure out what the rules are and how to play the game instead of, you know, playing it.

I mean I really prefer to spend my time this way, it's far more fun.

Quoted for making sense, i have enough trouble as is devoting what little gaming time i still have trying to master the byzantine SR5 rules.

[Herr Brackhaus]

Aaaaand there we go. That is, for lack of a better term, absolutely bat-shit crazy.

Wakshaani, why do you hate riggers so much? I mean, not only did you increase repair costs to 5% per box of damage, but you also now made it impossible to recover software from a broken drone, a broken drone is worth exactly 0¥, AND we can't copy a program even though Data Trails doesn't even have any rules on copy protection? Seriously?

That's it, I'm house ruling this whole book... I can't agree with any of the directions drones and riggers are being taken in, so I'm just going to make up my own rules at this point.

To quote my parents: "I'm not mad, just disappointed." *shakes head*

Completely out of line. No issue with disagreement and criticism...personal attacks simply have no place here.

Herr Brackhaus...please excuse yourself from this thread.

Shadowrun Mod

I apologize unreservedly. I certainly didn't mean to attack anyone.

[UnLimiTeD]

Funny thing is, I actually enjoy reading rules, and context, and actual meaning.
So as much as I hate having to find all that stuff, I read more than playing anyways, so one could easily keep me busy posting a few lines a day.

[Marcus Gideon]

Aaaaand there we go. That is, for lack of a better term, absolutely bat-shit crazy.

Wakshaani, why do you hate riggers so much? I mean, not only did you increase repair costs to 5% per box of damage, but you also now made it impossible to recover software from a broken drone, a broken drone is worth exactly 0¥, AND we can't copy a program even though Data Trails doesn't even have any rules on copy protection? Seriously?

That's it, I'm house ruling this whole book... I can't agree with any of the directions drones and riggers are being taken in, so I'm just going to make up my own rules at this point.

To quote my parents: "I'm not mad, just disappointed." *shakes head*

Completely out of line. No issue with disagreement and criticism...personal attacks simply have no place here.

Herr Brackhaus...please excuse yourself from this thread.

Shadowrun Mod

I apologize unreservedly. I certainly didn't mean to attack anyone.

Funny thing Herr B, I agree with you completely.

The more and more they complicate add to the game, the more inclined I am to just take everything as a suggestion and house rule the entire game. They say the Matrix works like this, but I'm gonna go with something more like this. They say drones do that, but I'm gonna do something a little different.

I used to think that SR4 to SR5 was trying to bring balance to the game. But they seem to have lost sight of that goal. Now they're just doing "things" and seeing if people will buy it (figuratively and literally). At least SR4's mechanics made sense. SR5 has developed entirely too much handwaving.

[Medicineman]

I guess the Devs have seen "Mistakes" in the SR4A Rules (f.E: attacking up to 4 times with two Pistols )
and tried to counter them but they went over the Top (is that the right expression ? ) and endet up with the opposite End  with big Rulesmistakes on their own (like You can attack only once per IP even if you can Shoot twice so you can attack only once,but the second shot MUST be into empty Air )
AND this is (to me ) of the ...same Wrongness , even worse than before because they make less sense ingame !!
Or this example here :
The Devs noticed that Players /their Chars made cheap copies of Programs to insert them into the Drones and they wanted to "correct" that
but their solution is more fawlty than the one from 4A Ed !

 So I'm doing it like Marcus Gideon ! I use more and more Houserules and/or Ignore the ...official Suggestions from CGL especially when the Rules make absolutely NO SENSE ingame ( like this one ...or the mysterious uncurable Damage you get from not paying your debts or the mysterious & Magic Powers from WiFi connections like that of a silencer that notices if somebody hears your own gunshots...)
and also these strange Mission-Rule-Shackles .Luckily here in Germany we aren't bound  by those Missions Rules....

with a Lucky Dance
Medicineman

[prionic6]

(like You can attack only once per IP even if you can Shoot twice so you can attack only once,but the second shot MUST be into empty Air )

Not true.

Characters sometimes want to really put on the hurting in a single Action Phase and can choose to attack more than once in a single Action Phase by using the Mul- tiple Attacks Free Action. This action represents both attacking multiple times from a single melee weapon and attacking with two different weapons ( rearms or melee).

[Medicineman]

(like You can attack only once per IP even if you can Shoot twice so you can attack only once,but the second shot MUST be into empty Air )

Not true.

Characters sometimes want to really put on the hurting in a single Action Phase and can choose to attack more than once in a single Action Phase by using the Mul- tiple Attacks Free Action. This action represents both attacking multiple times from a single melee weapon and attacking with two different weapons ( rearms or melee).

Yes true
You can Attack only Once with one Firearm (either a simple shot as a simple Action or a HM Burst as a complex Action with a HM Weapon)
Multiattack with two Pistols and splitting Your Pool is NOT the same as shooting once with your first simple Action than shooting a second time (maybe at a different target or at the same Target) with your second simple Action
with the same Weapon your Weapon can shoot twice (2 simple Actions) but the Rules don't allow two different attacks ! unless you use the Rules from Running Harder

with two simple Dances
Medicineman

[Novocrane]

wyou can attack only once,but the second shot MUST be into empty Air
[...]
 unless you use the Rules from [Run & Gun]

You're splitting an unsplittable hair there, M.

[Medicineman]

wyou can attack only once,but the second shot MUST be into empty Air
[...]
 unless you use the Rules from [Run & Gun]

You're splitting an unsplittable hair there, M.

is that a -6 Modifier ?
I'll take it
I'll take a simple Action for Take Aim first than a free Action for an Aimed Shot at the Hair

with a splitted Dance
Medicineman

[Dinendae]

I don't believe the bit about autosofts being so specific that they can be installed only on one drone at all - otherwise sharing over an RCC would be impossible.
Should this clarification find its way into an official Errata, I suspect getting a crappy RCC with Virtual Machine will be the way to go to avoid this restriction.

Ok, I'm confused here; the RCC is supposed to be able to share autosofts (such as Clearsight or Electronic Warfare) that isn't specified as being [Model] (Evasion, Maneuvering, or Stealth) or [Weapon] Targeting. Is the rule now that even Clearsight and Electronic Warfare have to be installed per drone?    If so, that means I'm going to need to go back and rebuild my rigger to account for that.

[Novocrane]

is that a -6 Modifier ?

It's a "CRB says no" modifier. You're creating a division between attack actions and fire weapon actions, when there is no such thing.