[UnLimiTeD]

In any case, I see absolutely no problem with using different drones in a swarm.
Why wouldn't Duelists work with Rotodrones to herd groundbound enemies into the melee?
I can see the point with smaller drones, sure, but Noizquitos are OP in any number.^^

[Tinkerbell]

Do drones have to do a Control Vehicle test every combat turn to prevent crashing?

[Herr Brackhaus]

Do drones have to do a Control Vehicle test every combat turn to prevent crashing?

No, because they are drones and thus count as metahuman for the purposes of tactical combat. Chase combat is a different story, however.

[Tinkerbell]

Do drones have to do a Control Vehicle test every combat turn to prevent crashing?

No, because they are drones and thus count as metahuman for the purposes of tactical combat. Chase combat is a different story, however.

Thx. I was confused because drones movement seems to be a little different than the one of metahumans. Moving with high speed inside a building seemed to be much more difficult than a chase situation to me.

Another question:
When you try to attack a drone which is moving your DP is modified by  -[Speed].
Is the attack pool of the drone modifyed by movement? In case there is no official rule - how would you house rule?

[prionic6]

So drones can only run pilot/2 autosofts at once.
That effectively limits almost all drones to one or two autosofts.

Wak had something to say about that on Reddit:

The first one is absolutely intended. A Pilot serves as a cap on Autosofts equal to its rating. (Note that, along with this, you can run a number of autosofts equal to your Pilot, rather than Pilot /2 as before. This should help mitigate the pain.)

https://www.reddit.com/r/Shadowrun/comments/40q7dn/rigger_5_pg127_massive_stealth_nerf/cyxycjp

I don't think it's spelled out in the book, though.

[falar]

The first one is absolutely intended. A Pilot serves as a cap on Autosofts equal to its rating. (Note that, along with this, you can run a number of autosofts equal to your Pilot, rather than Pilot /2 as before. This should help mitigate the pain.)

https://www.reddit.com/r/Shadowrun/comments/40q7dn/rigger_5_pg127_massive_stealth_nerf/cyxycjp

I don't think it's spelled out in the book, though.

Holy crap. That's a huge buff. That means that a drone can actually stand alone REALLY well now.

[adzling]

It's nice that these critical pieces of information are posted on random threads on the internet instead of being included in the rulebooks that govern how the game is played.

This way I get to spend countless hours trying to figure out what the rules are and how to play the game instead of, you know, playing it.

I mean I really prefer to spend my time this way, it's far more fun.

Catalyst totally has their act together and they have no editing problem, no line management problem and everything is just fine.

Nothing to see here move along.

[prionic6]

It's nice that these critical pieces of information are posted on random threads on the internet instead of being included in the rulebooks that govern how the game is played.

Yeah, I don't like that either. Especially as we don't know if it will ever be included in any official document.

[Marcus Gideon]

It's nice that these critical pieces of information are posted on random threads on the internet instead of being included in the rulebooks that govern how the game is played.

This way I get to spend countless hours trying to figure out what the rules are and how to play the game instead of, you know, playing it.

I mean I really prefer to spend my time this way, it's far more fun.

Catalyst totally has their act together and they have no editing problem, no line management problem and everything is just fine.

Nothing to see here move along.

Yeah, I don't like that either. Especially as we don't know if it will ever be included in any official document.

I have noticed more and more, they just stopped printing official errata as a separate PDF. Now you just have to hope your Google Fu is strong enough to dig the answer out of a 100 page thread.

[adzling]

Shhh, there is no problem here.

Stop criticizing them.

Catalyst is trying really hard and it's not their fault they cannot get it right.

It's just "because" and something you will have to live with.

[MijRai]

Shhh, there is no problem here.

Stop criticizing them.

Catalyst is trying really hard and it's not their fault they cannot get it right.

It's just "because" and something you will have to live with.

You know, there's a difference between constructive criticism and insults.  You keep falling on the latter, which is why people have been telling you off. 

[adzling]

That's Sarcasm, a dark form of humor highlighting a truth (the truth being that Catalyst seems incapable of producing any kind of quality product regarding rules for their game. They can author great fiction but that's not what makes an RPG, that's what makes a great book).

An insult would have been if I had called them names or used bad language in reference to them or similar.

Which I have clearly not.

[falar]

That's Sarcasm, a dark form of humor highlighting a truth (the truth being that Catalyst seems incapable of producing any kind of quality product regarding rules for their game. They can author great fiction but that's not what makes an RPG, that's what makes a great book).

There's a point at which all of your posts are so annoying that it's not worth reading for your good points because it's surrounded in so much anti-Catalyst drivel.

[Medicineman]

A Question to Waakshaani
SInceYou wrote this this in Reddit:

  And five, yes, but it's noted in SR5. Indeed, in SR5 core, an autosoft is limited to exactly one drone, ever. (Bob the Flyspy gets this program. You then have to buy a new program for any other drone, even an identical flyspy. No, you cannot salvage it from Bob's remains, nor can you break the copy protection and make more. Every single time, you have to buy a new program.... All of these changes are absolutely as intended. The only issue is that I chose a bad example (I should have used Maneuver) ...) 

How do you explain INGAME that you can't copy or Salvage a Program and insert it in the same /identical Drone.
If you have a Maneuever Autosoft for FlySpy Alpha, Why won't it work for Flyspy Beta ?
INGAME Explanation please
Because I suspect there is only the Outgame Explanation of making it worse/harder/more Expensive for Rigger players and if thats true i'm kinda ...furious/angry /mad
especially if there is NO ingame explanation
 

with a tiny angry Dance
Medicineman

[Herr Brackhaus]

So drones can only run pilot/2 autosofts at once.
That effectively limits almost all drones to one or two autosofts.

Wak had something to say about that on Reddit:

The first one is absolutely intended. A Pilot serves as a cap on Autosofts equal to its rating. (Note that, along with this, you can run a number of autosofts equal to your Pilot, rather than Pilot /2 as before. This should help mitigate the pain.)

https://www.reddit.com/r/Shadowrun/comments/40q7dn/rigger_5_pg127_massive_stealth_nerf/cyxycjp

I don't think it's spelled out in the book, though.

Woah, that's HUGE! A Pilot 6 is suddenly very, very useful, but very very expensive.

A Question to Waakshaani
SInceYou wrote this this in Reddit:

  And five, yes, but it's noted in SR5. Indeed, in SR5 core, an autosoft is limited to exactly one drone, ever. (Bob the Flyspy gets this program. You then have to buy a new program for any other drone, even an identical flyspy. No, you cannot salvage it from Bob's remains, nor can you break the copy protection and make more. Every single time, you have to buy a new program.... All of these changes are absolutely as intended. The only issue is that I chose a bad example (I should have used Maneuver) ...) 

How do you explain INGAME that you can't copy or Salvage a Program and insert it in the same /identical Drone.
If you have a Maneuever Autosoft for FlySpy Alpha, Why won't it work for Flyspy Beta ?
INGAME Explanation please
Because I suspect there is only the Outgame Explanation of making it worse/harder/more Expensive for Rigger players and if thats true i'm kinda ...furious/angry /mad
especially if there is NO ingame explanation
 

with a tiny angry Dance
Medicineman

Aaaaand there we go. That is, for lack of a better term, absolutely bat-shit crazy.

Wakshaani, why do you hate riggers so much? I mean, not only did you increase repair costs to 5% per box of damage, but you also now made it impossible to recover software from a broken drone, a broken drone is worth exactly 0¥, AND we can't copy a program even though Data Trails doesn't even have any rules on copy protection? Seriously?

That's it, I'm house ruling this whole book... I can't agree with any of the directions drones and riggers are being taken in, so I'm just going to make up my own rules at this point.

To quote my parents: "I'm not mad, just disappointed." *shakes head*