[demion]

For the FN P93 Praetor on page 427 it is written: "Possesion of the FN P93 while not a legitimate member of a Corporate Court force is a crime in most jurisdictions". So does this mean, you can get a fake license for proving to be a member of a Corporate Court force and therefore use this weapon legally (its rated F)?

How do you prove to be a member of a Corporate Court force? Is it a license? Or is it connected to your SIN? If it is connected to your SIN can you have a fake SIN with this "license"?

[bdyer]

I would suspect that its not connected to a sin at that point.  That when they run the license it pings some corporate court database for verification.  That way you can be an agent without a face.

Besides hacking the scanner itself, I would suspect its verrrryyyy hard to forge a license that have that sort of credentials. I personally think a made man contact for F rated gear licenses up to a certain availability(12 or 16?) would be acceptable.  Representing that you are a shadowrunner for the corporate court.  Please note that just like any license its not a get out of jail free card as it immediatley raises many eyebrows and puts you on the radar if you ever have to use it.

Think of it like the Agent in the serenity movie.

[ScytheKnight]

I personally suspect it would take a Rating 6 fake license to have any real chance of pulling it off... You're basically trying to fake yourself as a member of one of the most powerful organizations in the solar system, you can expect any Shadowrunner flashing those sort of credentials it will be checked very thoroughly. it's the kind of fine-tooth-combing that's likely to catch out even a Rating 6 license, not to mention any SIN attached to it would be checked just as thoroughly.

[Hobbes]

Licenses cover "Restricted" gear, so anything with an R.  F gear is always illegal.  Although, how or why megacorps manufacture "F" gear is an interesting question since RAW nobody can ever buy it.  Note that things like Cyberspurs and hand Razors are "F" same as your FN P93.  So anywhere you can't go with your FN P93 you can't go with your cyber spurs.

*shrug*  It's a silly game fiat that PCs can't have a fake license for "F" gear, because, obviously such licenses exist.  Because the gear was manufactured, and the people that manufacture and sell said gear also control the licensing. 

[firebug]

No civilian can ever have a license for forbidden gear.  It's purely military or similar, where it should never be found "in circulation".  Such licenses for Forbidden gear don't exist because they don't need to.  Soldiers don't need a license to use what they're issued in the field, and the military they work for has something more complex than a "license to buy forbidden gear" that a single person could have.

[Hibiki54]

You cannot have a license for something that is standard issue to military forces. The only way you can pull it off is to have a Rating 6 License and some good Con, or have a Corporate SIN.

[Whiskeyjack]

Even with a corporate or military SIN you're probably going to need good Con to pull it off if it's questioned.

[Reaver]

(F) rated gear is for Non-civilian use only!

You can not get a permit for it. Ever.

Nor would you be able to Con/Bluff/neo your way out of your 1st class ticket to jail. There is NO rationale you could use to convince an officer that you are allowed to have this item.

"Im with the military"
"Then where is the rest of your unit? Why havn't I heard of a emergency deployment? Why are you not in full combat gear, broadcasting your unit ID, and deployment order? Why are you on civil property with military equipment?"


(F) items are not what you carry around with you every day. (F) Items are for when the legal side don't matter.... like while ON the run. (Cause carrying a piece of (F) gear at that point are the least of your worries)

[Hobbes]

There is "f" and there is "F!"   I really doubt hand razors will elicit the same response as a Monowhip.  Considering (fluff wise) that hand razors and cyber spurs are common Samurai and ganger augments I can't imagine that all "F" gear is treated the same by law enforcement. 

[firebug]

Weapons like that tend to be F because they aren't actually manufactured by a company.  Like the Junkyard Jaw.  That isn't produced by anyone--  A lot of ganger things aren't official products.  Hence the F status of being an illegal "homemade" weapon.  Don't expect to get a license for any IEDs you make either.  Or like...  "Excuse me Miss, do you have a license for that molotov?"

[Hobbes]

I'll give you that some of that is "street made" but the Mega's make plenty Monowhips, spurs, voice modulators, adrenaline pumps, damage compensators and razors for grey (and black) market consumption.  No way the big 10 don't have significant market share, wouldn't be shadowrun if they didn't. 

[HaikenEdge]

Side note-ish, but still related, would all law enforcement officers recognize all availability F items on sight? Let's say it's something less obvious than a machine gun, say, an HK XM30, which is basically an assault rifle with multiple configurations; if it's a throwback (so it doesn't have wireless for syncing back to a database for identification), would a random officer recognize it as an illegal weapon, given some assault rifles are legal? What if it was disassembled and stashed as parts amongst piles of scrap?

I mean, you can't get a license for it, since it's forbidden, but would the average officer know the difference between it and a legal assault rifle on sight? Would the officer be able to identify it while dismantled?

[firebug]

Remember that it's considered "questionable" if the rifle isn't broadcasting its wireless (which will advertise its make and model).  An officer is within their right to stop you and ask "Excuse me sir, do you have a license for that weapon?"  if they don't recognize it and it isn't broadcasting.  While it's dismantled could be the same thing (one piece should still be broadcasting) but in that case you'd have such an easier time just concealing it that it shouldn't come up.

Ah, I realized you mentioned "If it's a throwback".  That'd complicate things.  I'd allow a Con roll to say "Oh it's a throwback, it's X model."  However, with the matrix, they could say "I'll have to ask you to stay here while I comfirm this" and look it up online if that model is made in such a way, and if it kept being suspicious, they could always just bring you down to the station and check your licenses more carefully...

My point is, it'd suspicious and once they start asking questions, they have all the reason they need to look more closely and find out it's all illegal.

[Reaver]

When it comes to weapons, most police have a "beg forgiveness" rather then a "ask permission" attitude.

Meaning, when in doubt, seize the weapon in question until comfirmation is made by a higher authority.

Trust me, it is a huge pain in the ass, that I have delt with multiple times over multiple officers over multiple areas.

And it all ends the same:
They take it cause they are in doubt, and give you a receipt.
You go to the detactment 24-72 hours later to get the item.
However, before you can get the item you need:
Show your license
Show your registration
Show the written legislation that proves the weapon is legal. (Cause to these fucktards, the government issued registration isn't good enough)
Then you get the weapon back.

Only to repeat this process the next time one of these fucktard-halfwit-idiots-with-a-badge pull you over IN THE DRIVEWAY OF THE RANGE to check your registration.......


<11 times, 4 different provinces in 6 years. Total taxpayer cost after lawsuit: $150,000. Your tax dollars at work>

[Novocrane]

Trust me, it is a huge pain in the ass, that I have delt with multiple times over multiple officers over multiple areas.

Modern day law enforcement, yes? I'd disconnect that from 60 years in the future along an alternate timeline that diverged decades (if not millenia) before now. I mean, it's good if you want that, but it doesn't fit with the written low pay / high corruption patrol & checkpoint officers that shadowrunners are supposed to thrive on.