[UnLimiTeD]

So, if a TM aquires a Datajack, a nice implanted one, and plugs that into a device he wants to connect to, say, a host, can he still thread?
I know he can't with that new Echo, but that's meant to allow resonance actions through cyberdecks.

[Zweiblumen]

You can't jack to a host, but a device on that host.  I've no idea on RAW as it's completely vague, but I'd argue that your living persona could use your headware DJ to directly connect to a device (that's potentially part of a WAN giving you a shortcut to the host). You'd probably be better of spending your first 13 karma on skinlink though and then you just touch he device and don't have to give up a point of resonance.

[Critter]

A common bit of confusion to people is what exactly a living persona is. People seem to think "You hax the matrix wif UR brainz." However what it really is, is you are connecting to the Matrix with your Resonance. Its that nebulous "I don't want to say magic...but magic" thing that makes Technomancers...well..Technomancers. Much like even with implanted simsense rigs, magicians can't allow people to experience what its like to astrally project your resonant soul is viewing the Matrix like a mage using Astral Perception, or you are projecting your resonant soul into the Matrix like a mage would astrally project. You can use Trodes and a Datajack, but that only lets your -brain- connect with the Matrix and your brain is not the goopy housing for your Resonance.

[Xenon]

So, if a TM aquires a Datajack, a nice implanted one, and plugs that into a device he wants to connect to, say, a host, can he still thread?

The only reason for a TM to ever get a datajack is if she for some reason want to use a device based persona rather than her living persona.


A host is a matrix-only entity. You cannot plug your datajack (or rather your cyberdeck) into a host.

A wireless enabled device can be slaved to a host. In that case the device use host ratings when defending (unless you are directly connected to the device). If you get a mark on the wireless enabled slaved device then you also get a mark on the master.

A TM that want to establish a direct connection with a wireless enabled slaved device to bypass master ratings would either enter the host (you are considered directly connected to all devices slaved to the host) or get the skin link echo and physically touch the device.

A third option would be to go old school.... Get a cyberdeck, base the persona on that instead of using the living persona and connect the cyberdeck (not the datajack) directly to the device (with a wire). This can be done from AR perfectly fine without a datajack (using image link, AR glove and ear buds). With a datajack (or trodes) it can still be done in AR but it can also be done from cold- and hot-sim VR (without image link, AR gloves and ear buds).

[UnLimiTeD]

Well, I meant hacking a device with weaker ratings to get access, which to my knowledge requires a wired connection.
I mean, there's no reason not to get Cerebral boosters, so have an essence gap to fill.

[Xenon]

That is what skin link echo is for......

[UnLimiTeD]

I think I'd rather buy a deck than waste an Echo for that.
Pool only allows one submersion per 75 karma, so the char will at best get one before being shelved.

[Triskavanski]

Pool?

[Zweiblumen]

75 karma will get you 4 submersions with 5 left over.  You can submerge twice more before you need to raise your resonance.  TM's get horked, but not that badly

[ScytheKnight]

*sighs* can SOMEONE, SOMEWHERE release a fragging official errata for that submersion typo already?!

[culppepper]

So, if a TM aquires a Datajack, a nice implanted one, and plugs that into a device he wants to connect to, say, a host, can he still thread?

A TM that want to establish a direct connection with a wireless enabled slaved device to bypass master ratings would either enter the host (you are considered directly connected to all devices slaved to the host) or get the skin link echo and physically touch the device.

Could a TM use a Data tap for this purpose?

[Marcus]

*sighs* can SOMEONE, SOMEWHERE release a fragging official errata for that submersion typo already?!

I'm less and less sure its a typo did Bull even include it in the Missions doc?
I'm fairly sure whoever is making the editing big picture calls is working very hard to keep tech in the lead in 5th.

[ScytheKnight]

*sighs* can SOMEONE, SOMEWHERE release a fragging official errata for that submersion typo already?!

I'm less and less sure its a typo did Bull even include it in the Missions doc?
I'm fairly sure whoever is making the editing big picture calls is working very hard to keep tech in the lead in 5th.

yes, it;'s clearly mentioned in the missions FAQ, but a lot of people ignore that.

[Triskavanski]

A common bit of confusion to people is what exactly a living persona is. People seem to think "You hax the matrix wif UR brainz." However what it really is, is you are connecting to the Matrix with your Resonance. Its that nebulous "I don't want to say magic...but magic" thing that makes Technomancers...well..Technomancers. Much like even with implanted simsense rigs, magicians can't allow people to experience what its like to astrally project your resonant soul is viewing the Matrix like a mage using Astral Perception, or you are projecting your resonant soul into the Matrix like a mage would astrally project. You can use Trodes and a Datajack, but that only lets your -brain- connect with the Matrix and your brain is not the goopy housing for your Resonance.

Uh.. Resonant Soul? You're not a magical being like a mage. A datajack would so totally let a Technomancer connect. Its not like they keep all their mental stats in their stomache or left foot. Its all in the brain.

[Xenon]

Could a TM use a Data tap for this purpose?

No.

A TM can use a data tap to wireless access a device that is wireless off (because the owner turned wireless off, the device is wired or because the device is a throwback), but it will not count as a direct connection for the purpose of ignoring master ratings.

Having said that, a device that is wireless off will by definition not be slaved to a host (ever). A host is a matrix only entity. Only wireless enabled devices can be slaved to a host.