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« Reply #75 on: (20:19:02/05-12-15) »
I actually like that idea of using Deus and his name as a big distraction. Just look at what it did here (if it proves to be true). Having Pax around is fine since she is not untouchable and all-powerful in the same way. She's also extremely unpredictable. Now the question is what Puck will do.
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« Reply #76 on: (22:21:04/05-12-15) »
Puck's already involved in a classically-Puck-stupid thing in Denver.
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« Reply #77 on: (23:52:13/05-12-15) »
You act like he can only be involved in ONE classically-Puck-stupid thing at a time.
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« Reply #78 on: (00:05:24/05-13-15) »
That would be in Dirty Tricks?
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« Reply #79 on: (00:06:52/05-13-15) »
That would be in Dirty Tricks?

Stormfront, if we're talking about Puck.

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« Reply #80 on: (06:54:01/05-13-15) »
You act like he can only be involved in ONE classically-Puck-stupid thing at a time.
Are you implying this could be one big ClusterPuck? ;)
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« Reply #81 on: (19:18:48/05-13-15) »
With a CFD outbreak? Certainly.

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« Reply #82 on: (20:51:22/05-14-15) »
So on the subject of TMs, and AIs, isn't it impossible for AIs to go to resonance realms, or interact with TM stuff at all? How would a dissonance well help anything involving AIs?
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« Reply #83 on: (01:42:01/05-15-15) »
So on the subject of TMs, and AIs, isn't it impossible for AIs to go to resonance realms, or interact with TM stuff at all? How would a dissonance well help anything involving AIs?
Well, the newer AIs certainly can't access the Resonance Realms. However, it is unclear just what the extent of the powers the Big 3 had was. Afterall, they created the Otaku, so it is possible that the Big 3 could access the Realms, and I believe that Alice's Wonderland was a Realm as well.

As for what the dissonance would do to help AIs? Not much. But Pax doesn't care about helping AIs. If she tried to set up a city-wide Dissonance pool under normal conditions, people would notice, and it would call down all kinds of heat on her. On the other hand, if one of the big bads of the SCIRE and Crash 2.0 suddenly gets hold of a dragon body, and there's untold craziness in the aftermath, it becomes a lot easier to do her thing without interference.
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« Reply #84 on: (09:29:59/05-15-15) »
Crazy theory time:  Pax has been working with Dissonance pools, and apparently got a good chunk of Deus's code.  Are the two related? 

Deus, along with Mirage and Megaera were engaged in the ECSE when Jormungand hit them, never to be seen again.  Storm Front implies that Megaera is - somehow - Dodger's Paragon, and there was another post (I can't remember where) pointing out similarities to Deus in some of the descriptions of the 4E Paragons.  Jormungand was a Dissonant virus, that created major Dissonance pools in the nodes it was crashing.

Were the Big 3 AIs all sucked into the resonance realms?  Are they actually still active there?  (Well, they are in my game, but that was before I had this brainstorm)

Also - Jormungand's nature as a Dissonant virus and it's relation to the creation of technomancers, many of whom were originally online during the Crash - Discuss.

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« Reply #85 on: (10:24:32/05-15-15) »
Out of curiosity, where is the nature of Jormungand detailed? I don't remember reading much about the virus itself, or the Winternight group in general.

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« Reply #86 on: (11:59:57/05-15-15) »
Jormungand is explained (more or less) in System Failure, Brackhaus.  As for your questions, Comrade SMDVogrin - already discussed.  :/  However, to hit the high points:

Deus and Dissonance Pools: Unrelated.
Big 3 AIs sucked into the Resonance Realms: Unlikely.  IMO, their code forms a 'baseline layer of sentience' that enables both the explosion of AI, the capability for there to be e-Ghosts, and ...
Jormungand only shredded the Big 3 and redistributed their code.  It's that code - not Jormungand - that enables technomancers (many of whom were NOT plugged in) to work.  It's a whole 'thing'.
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« Reply #87 on: (13:07:52/05-15-15) »
There were examples of e-ghosts prior to the Crash, however. Alice comes to mind immediately. And it is all but stated that the JackBNimble file from Big D's will was responsible for a lot of the e-ghosts during Crash 2.0. So while I disagree on the point of e-ghosts, it is certainly possible that the coding of one or more of the Big 3 became the basis of the sudden rise of AIs.

As for TMs, I personally like a different theory. Since we see that Resonance is on the flip side of the coin of the Awakened gene (or we assume, since we haven't found it yet), then, as with the Awakened, the potential may have always been out there, but it wasn't until a certain level of wireless technology was present in the area that their abilities were able to manifest. This nicely ties in emerged critters as well. In addition, it helps explain how Mirage created the Otaku. If he simply activated something that was already there, but hadn't had the chance to express due to there being few wireless signals...

That said, the Big 3 might not all have had the same fate. If, for instance, we take Mirage's code to make AIs, Megaera to become a Paragon, and Deus to do something else, that still works. And unless Pax has slipped into the Endless Archive and erased the backups, the original code of all three would still be there, waiting to be uploaded (and she'd have to go and erase the backups again in Deus's case, as she put him back on the matrix to try and dump him into Eliohann's body).
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« Reply #88 on: (17:35:46/05-16-15) »
However, it is unclear just what the extent of the powers the Big 3 had was. Afterall, they created the Otaku
The old AIs had the power to make Otaku, but that they were behind the creation of all Otaku is just a popular fan theory ;)

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« Reply #89 on: (17:42:21/05-16-15) »
Well, it was clearly a someone, and not just 'they spontaneously did so'.  That, at least, is canon.
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