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« Reply #75 on: <05-11-15/0931:47> »
I doubt attributes for Deus or Eliohann will really become necessary. If they are, the GM should likely just make it up on the spot, as these are entities that are so far beyond most player characters that stats probably won't be very useful.

In other words, if players are trying to take down Eliohann and/or Deus, I hope they have their DocWagon Platinum contracts good and ready.

Then why stat out Cereus? He is the "child" of the two. Why be able to defeat him?
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« Reply #76 on: <05-11-15/0942:48> »
First thought that comes to mind is that Cereus is actually listed as an NPC in the book; it's entirely possible for GMs to use him as a Mr. Johnson, listed in one of the subplot sections. It is also possible to encounter Cereus in various states of completeness as part of the head case epidemic.

Cerberus/Deus/Eliohann, on the other hand, is pretty much listed as MIA for the time being, what with having disappeared somewhere (Salem?). As I see it, if the writers had wanted C/D/E to be a credible threat and/or opponent, they would have provided attributes for it.

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« Reply #77 on: <05-11-15/1734:39> »
If you don't want that 40kĄ, I'll take it. =i)

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« Reply #78 on: <05-11-15/1959:31> »
So ... cyber suites. Can anyone official say whether they're just eyeballed, or if there's a formula?

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« Reply #79 on: <05-11-15/2010:51> »
I've been meaning to do the math on cyber suites. I'll get back to this thread later if no one else has already done it.

I know one suite that caught my eye combined reaction enhancers with synaptic boosters for some reason. We may need some clarification on that one.

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« Reply #80 on: <05-11-15/2028:19> »
I noticed incompatibilities, too.

Kuro, for instance, has Bone Density, Muscle Aug, Muscle Toner, and Synaptic Boosters at max - then throws a Suprathyroid cherry on top. (maybe they need an aug that raises Body in all situations ...)

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« Reply #81 on: <05-11-15/2214:45> »
All right, so after a quick comparison of the Essence and Nuyen costs of individual parts vs Suite costs, I'm starting to wonder where this crunch comes from. I'll be honest, it doesn't look good at first glance.

I've attached the full comparisons to this post for easy viewing.

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« Reply #82 on: <05-11-15/2218:02> »
And part 2 of comparison.

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« Reply #83 on: <05-11-15/2319:12> »
Unless it's a discount due to enhanced compatibility between the components as part of the suit?

I don't have the book so can't say if it's just something like the PACKs of Run Faster (Hey there, here's a bunch of cyberware!) or if it's actually something of an integrated cyberware system.
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« Reply #84 on: <05-12-15/0653:23> »
All right, so after a quick comparison of the Essence and Nuyen costs of individual parts vs Suite costs, I'm starting to wonder where this crunch comes from. I'll be honest, it doesn't look good at first glance.
You used partial limbs for the EVO BTH, when they're ostensibly full limbs. Still not seeing anything to make out of the whole shebang.
Unless it's a discount due to enhanced compatibility between the components as part of the suit?
5e cybersuites are essence reduced and nuyen increased, as opposed to 4e's 10% off both costs. They do have other restrictions, though.

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« Reply #85 on: <05-12-15/0937:10> »
I'm not sold on suites yet.  They were good in 4th, but the essence reduction, while nice, isn't going to sell my sammie on them.

If you can't combine suites, or add to them, then they're pretty "meh" in my opinion.

I get that they're special, and I get that they're custom, but the idea of spending 125k for a 95k suite to shave off a few essence points, and not be able to add anything else (bio OR chrome) is not a route I'll take with most of my characters.

Though, for an infiltration specialist, or face, it might be okay.  I COULD see it for a decker, but your average sam is going to look at these and go, "Can't ever upgrade?  No thanks, Chummer."

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« Reply #86 on: <05-12-15/1430:01> »
So, for us who still  wait for a physical copy of Lockdown, who is Cereus?

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« Reply #87 on: <05-12-15/1913:09> »
Cereus is an AI born out of the chaos of the battle between the Cerberus E-ghost and Deus (or the fragments Pax released) within MIT&T servers. It hates its legacy and wants to destroy both its parents and any trace of their existence. That basically means it has a huge genocide Campaign on its hands since all the problems in Boston are caused by those two.
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« Reply #88 on: <05-13-15/0246:19> »
Cereus is an AI born out of the chaos of the battle between the Cerberus E-ghost and Deus (or the fragments Pax released) within MIT&T servers. It hates its legacy and wants to destroy both its parents and any trace of their existence. That basically means it has a huge genocide Campaign on its hands since all the problems in Boston are caused by those two.
That's really cool!

It's a pity there are no stats for the Deus/Eliohan - AI/Dragon hybrid.It is a really great idea for a superboss.


It seems I really need to purchase a cooy of Lockdown since it deals with 2 matters that intrigued me in the past.
I actually started 2 "prophetic" topics some time ago.
One was about the fate of Deus after the 2nd Crash and the other was about the possibility of downloading an E-Ghost into a meat body :p

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« Reply #89 on: <05-13-15/0346:03> »
Deus really is not mentioned except in passing phrases throughout the book as it really is not the main villain if you will. The CFD zombies and Evo/NeoNet/Aztechnology are
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