[Kot]

With the magic level in decline, a Domain could be something that's considered a Mana Ebb, or Void in SR. During the downcycle the Mana level was so low, that it didn't allow any magic to those who didn't know it, leaving only legends from a previous age. And as for Avalon, i bet that's a leftover from the Age of Legends that the IE's brought with them. As most legends probably are in the Sixth World.

As for Harlequin, i'd stay with a Magic score of 25 and Initiate grade of 20. It's high above anything the players can get, enough to take a Great Dragon head-on. Game balance wise it's fair, looking at the GD's statistics in SR4A*. Though still Dragons aren't bogged down by the game mechanics - they wish spells into existence in a dynamic way*. And i'd add at least a few Initiate powers to any dragon, Great or otherwise, as they had to learn a few things eventually.


* Though i think some dragons, like Big D, or Ghostwalker, who were renowned for their magical skills in the AGe of Legends, have their magic scores way above 12. Probably around 20-25.
** Just like in Mage: The Awakening, only they mostly improvise. Being a creature of magic pays off...

[Casazil]

Ah, a newb.

Welcome to the sixth world. Let me explain. No, there is too much. Let me sum up.

It turns out that there are a group of Immortal Elves that, along with the Great Dragons, have been around since the Fourth Age*. No one's really sure how they became immortal, but they are.

As a point Jack I think there is some story of how some major being made dragons and dragons made man this pissed off the being that made dragons and started the war between him and the dragons the dragons made the other races to help all this took place in what would be the second age of man thus there should be Immortal Elves as old as the second age.

DON'T hold me to this but I swear I read that some place.

[Kot]

It's ED history from the FASA times. Still around.

[Nomad Zophiel]

Would't the creation of man, by definition, have happened in the First Age of man?

[Doc Chaos]

Not if there was an extensive Alpha- and Betatesting Phase

[Kot]

Well, that was at the end of the Age of the Dark One, if you believe the Dragons myths. So, Age Zero, i think.

[FastJack]

He's not in the high double digits, but he should be more powerful than any PCs in the game by a long shot. Of course, with most games, that could place him at 25...

Where did you see that in your Harlequin quotes?
Harlequin is self-initiated to a double-digit grade
Could mean anything from 10 to 99. And that was a different Edition, where the Magic Attribute improved with any initiation, too.
If you look at the values of Frosty in her Adventures (see Harlequin, Harlequin's Back and DotA I) and use the Superhuman rule for Harlequin himself and Frosty as Runner comparison. We could get a peak how much Karma Harlequin has probably picked up in the last 20 years. As rule of thumb, it should be about 200% of Frostys Karma value, and she is initiate grad 8, aso...

My point is it doesn't say "HIGH" double digits.

As for Harlequin being 200% of Frosty's Karma? Well, it costs 608 Karma to get get to 8 Grade/Magic. So, 200% of that is 1200 Karma, which could put Harlequin at 13 Grade/Magic (for 1248 Karma). If he's around 25 Grade/Karma, that would be almost 600% of Frosty's Karma...

[Ultra Violet]

My point is it doesn't say "HIGH" double digits.

And what exactly do you think "HIGH" is? Mathematically it would be 10 to 50 or not?

As for Harlequin being 200% of Frosty's Karma? Well, it costs 608 Karma to get get to 8 Grade/Magic. So, 200% of that is 1200 Karma, which could put Harlequin at 13 Grade/Magic (for 1248 Karma). If he's around 25 Grade/Karma, that would be almost 600% of Frosty's Karma...

No, I meant, alone in the last 20 years since he became Jane's teacher. And Jane or Frosty has more than 608 Karma collected, think about Initiations, Magic improving, skill raising, spells, a.s.o.
And than you give Harlequin the double up! But this Karma isn't the only he got, it's only roughly the Karma of the last two decades.
Also he doesn't have to spend it for Initiations from 0 to s.th., he can spend it on everything, i.e. if he is initiat grad 50 he could spend 160 KP to get grad 51 or with a initiatory ordeal only 128 KP or he could raise first his Magic Attribute at 51 for 255 KP and so on...
We can use the 20 years Karma reward to calculate the 7,000 years, if we multiply that Karma by 350...

[The_Gun_Nut]

While Caimbeuile (Harl's real name) has been around seven millenium, he's only been really active a handful of times during those years.  Granted, those periods of activity tend to generate TONS of karma to spend, so he's still got the lion's share of power.

[FastJack]

My point is it doesn't say "HIGH" double digits.

And what exactly do you think "HIGH" is? Mathematically it would be 10 to 50 or not?

As for Harlequin being 200% of Frosty's Karma? Well, it costs 608 Karma to get get to 8 Grade/Magic. So, 200% of that is 1200 Karma, which could put Harlequin at 13 Grade/Magic (for 1248 Karma). If he's around 25 Grade/Karma, that would be almost 600% of Frosty's Karma...

No, I meant, alone in the last 20 years since he became Jane's teacher. And Jane or Frosty has more than 608 Karma collected, think about Initiations, Magic improving, skill raising, spells, a.s.o.
And than you give Harlequin the double up! But this Karma isn't the only he got, it's only roughly the Karma of the last two decades.
Also he doesn't have to spend it for Initiations from 0 to s.th., he can spend it on everything, i.e. if he is initiat grad 50 he could spend 160 KP to get grad 51 or with a initiatory ordeal only 128 KP or he could raise first his Magic Attribute at 51 for 255 KP and so on...
We can use the 20 years Karma reward to calculate the 7000 years, if we multiply that Karma by 350...
 

High would be 50-99, since that's more than 55% of the grades from 10-99.

[Ultra Violet]

In FastJacks example it would be 420,000 (1,200 x 350)KP (and that would be low) since Harlequin is a Superhuman his starting BP would be from 600 to 2500 BP plus the 7,000 years of Karma.

[etherial]

My point is it doesn't say "HIGH" double digits.

And what exactly do you think "HIGH" is? Mathematically it would be 10 to 50 or not?

"High" would be 75-100 IMB, since 25-75 would be "middle".

[Casazil]

Would't the creation of man, by definition, have happened in the First Age of man?

Man was created in the first age this pissed off the old one in the second age elves dwarfs ect ect were born and maybe even made.

Or so I would think.

[Dead Monky]

What the hell is everyone arguing over anyway?

[Casazil]

In FastJacks example it would be 420,000 (1,200 x 350)KP (and that would be low) since Harlequin is a Superhuman his starting BP would be from 600 to 2500 BP plus the 7,000 years of Karma.

Actually I'd say Harlequin was your normal 400 BP character maybe even 350 BUT that was in the 2nd age man some 20,000+ years ago. (2nd age 5k years, 3rd age 5k years, 4th age 5k years, 5th age 5k years, 6th age 61 years so far)