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« Reply #150 on: <08-14-14/0958:31> »
@martin, yup got browse, didn't see it making a difference on the way south as he had plenty of time for his 30 min searches but not enough for doing a 12 hour one (even with browse)
Yeah, 6 hits are a bitch to get.
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« Reply #151 on: <08-14-14/1249:46> »
@Martin, no worries about the long list of rolls.  I'll always take more rather than less, as I can help push the story farther along in a single post if I have more to work with.  Unfortunately, in this case, the Mana Barrier stopped Loki dead in his tracks.  It took me awhile to figure out how to play the barriers around the AML, so if you don't mind I might send you a PM later today going through my thought process so that i can hear what your thoughts are.  I'm still trying to get a feel for which rolls I should share, and which ones I should keep to myself, but I'm guessing that since Loki is fairly perceptive he'd know what he's up against here:
Mana Barrier v. Loki: 6d6t5 4

As for Loki finding his body again, is the astral search something that is opposed, or simply something that has a threshold that Loki needs to hit? 

@reyjinn, all that looks good.  I'm not sure at what point today I will be able to get an IC post up, but I'm hoping it won't take too long.  The blueprints that Breeze is able to pull up pretty much match what Hopeless is able to provide except for the info that will be provided IC.  Good work there.

Edit: When you get a chance give me an etiquette roll.  Anything to do with matrix/criminal/street specialization would apply.  As for your matrix actions, to gain access to the blueprints you'll need to jump to the College Station Municipal Grid.  You can either roll, or buy dice.  Next, you'll need to crack the folder for Texas A&M blueprints, then the folder for Applied Magics lab.  Inside will be the blueprints for the APM, and APM new construction.  You'll need to put a mark on both to read them.  That's my understanding anyway.  Let me know if you think I'm off base.

@Blazrath, no worries, man.  My semester starts next week, but since I'm a lowly adjunct there's not a lot of pre-semester things going on.  As the semester progresses I might have to take a night off every now and then to catch up on grading, but that shouldn't slow things down too bad here.

@Poindexter, to second what Martin said about Hopeless' last post, yes.  So good.  On the depression side, I know there's not a lot that an outsider can say or do, but talking shit out is always good, and please know that you're appreciated here.   
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« Reply #152 on: <08-14-14/1301:11> »
@Poindexter, to second what Martin said about Hopeless' last post, yes.  So good.  On the depression side, I know there's not a lot that an outsider can say or do, but talking shit out is always good, and please know that you're appreciated here.

Oddly enough, you people are the only ones ive told. Everyone close to me would just ask how they could help, forcing me to tell em i don't know, or else they'd suggest some means of help that costs money, forcing me to explain to em how i aint got none. Either way, talking to the people close to me about this is simply not an option. But thanks.
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« Reply #153 on: <08-14-14/1534:17> »
Is this Dr Drampe the same guy i knew?
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« Reply #154 on: <08-14-14/1556:30> »
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Edit: When you get a chance give me an etiquette roll.  Anything to do with matrix/criminal/street specialization would apply.  As for your matrix actions, to gain access to the blueprints you'll need to jump to the College Station Municipal Grid.  You can either roll, or buy dice.  Next, you'll need to crack the folder for Texas A&M blueprints, then the folder for Applied Magics lab.  Inside will be the blueprints for the APM, and APM new construction.  You'll need to put a mark on both to read them.  That's my understanding anyway.  Let me know if you think I'm off base.

Sounds good to me, should there not be a step in there between gridhopping and cracking the folder where I make my way into the Municipal Host? Breeze will do this once they get on location, settled in the safehouse and such.

@Martin, rednblack. Breeze would have told Loki about anything he found out about the faculty when Loki was back in his meatbag. Should have included it in the IC post about the matrix searches.

Etiquette, Yakuza (if applicable): 7d6 2
Well that was a glitch, but 2 hits yay.
Etiquette, if no yakuza speciality: 5d6t5 1

I'll move forward with the assumption that Archive was still referencing the grassy knoll, if Breeze should know better please let me know.

@Poindexter, Breeze will ask Hopeless to take a stroll by the AML once they get to College Station. Logic being that Hopeless being a summoner and shit he can astral perceive while Breeze can't. Might wait until after closing though, wants to get a feel about the security in place during nights both astral and physical. Wording of request would be something like: "Hey, Hopeless you're a summoner right? So you can see all that astral stuff? Would you mind going with me to check out the AML this evening once they've gotten all their defenses running?"
I'll hopefully manage to get a IC post up tonight before sleep, need to back out for work in a moment.
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« Reply #155 on: <08-14-14/1615:16> »
@Poindexter, to second what Martin said about Hopeless' last post, yes.  So good.  On the depression side, I know there's not a lot that an outsider can say or do, but talking shit out is always good, and please know that you're appreciated here.

Oddly enough, you people are the only ones ive told. Everyone close to me would just ask how they could help, forcing me to tell em i don't know, or else they'd suggest some means of help that costs money, forcing me to explain to em how i aint got none. Either way, talking to the people close to me about this is simply not an option. But thanks.

I hear that. Unfortunately, a lot of people will make whatever issue about them, and then you're forced to deal with that instead of the actual issue. Some people are a bit better about this than others of course. And there are other options. If you're at uni, there's a pretty good chance there's a counseling program that is completely free or done on a sliding scale so you're looking at a very modest amount. In my undergrad days I used one of those programs and found it imcrwdibly helpful when I hit a real rough patch. An sometimes finding someone you don't know very well can be a big boon. They can be easy to talk to, and there's not a lot of baggage there.

Aa for Drampe. Yes. One in the same. So you remember Dr. ken's last name by any chance? I can't find it.
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« Reply #156 on: <08-14-14/1631:23> »
Dr. Kenneth Bauchon
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« Reply #157 on: <08-14-14/1633:15> »
Thank you. I've had a hell of a time finding sent messages and I don't think doing so on my phone would be very realistic.
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« Reply #158 on: <08-14-14/1639:00> »
i looked through there. it wasnt there. it was in the first IC post. :)
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« Reply #159 on: <08-14-14/1647:23> »
Hahaha. Well that figures  ::)

What are Hopeless, Dantes, and Wind doing in College station?
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« Reply #160 on: <08-14-14/1849:25> »
Guess hopeless is going to case the grounds with Breeze, but he'll be nervous about it if undisguised. And he'd rather go while it's busy so there's more of a crowd to blend into. He knows those cameras have his face somewhere on file SOMEWHERE and he's terrified of being ID'd.
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« Reply #161 on: <08-14-14/1934:29> »
@Martin, no worries about the long list of rolls.  I'll always take more rather than less, as I can help push the story farther along in a single post if I have more to work with.
Good to know :)

Unfortunately, in this case, the Mana Barrier stopped Loki dead in his tracks.  It took me awhile to figure out how to play the barriers around the AML, so if you don't mind I might send you a PM later today going through my thought process so that i can hear what your thoughts are.
Oh ye of little fate :D

First of all, two fun facts about wards. A) Creating a large mana barrier, the kind that could envelop a building, requires ritual magic as described on page 297 of the SR5 rule book, and B) Each person allowed through the wall must be known to the person who created it.

Now, this doesn't mean it's impossible to create the kind of ward you've laid out, but assuming the building schematics you've provided us are measured in meters per box that means the building is 18m long by 9 meters wide by (5 floors * 3 meters) high. This gives the building a total volumetric dimension of 2430 cubic meters; the resulting ritual needed to create a ward covering the exterior of the building would require a number of participants with Magic scores equaling a sum total of (2430 / 50)=48.6. Assuming magic users have a Magic of 3 on average, that means it would take ~16 people to create such a ward (only 8 if all participants had Magic 6), and each person allowed through it would have to be made "known" to the owner. The owner, in turn, would have had to spend 6 karma on it to make it permanent, or the ward would have to be recreated every x weeks (where X is the number of net hits in the sealing of the ritual).

Of course, since this is a school with an Applied Magics lab, I don't necessarily think it's unreasonable for this effort to have been expended, but a Force 6 ward that big is pretty damned powerful. Personally, I find it much more likely that individual rooms (classrooms, for instance, with the ritual leader being the teacher, or restricted areas where the person responsible for the area is the ritual leader) would be warded, as the sheer effort of maintaining a record of who is allowed to pass through a ward that big would be an exhausting prospect.

As for types of wards, allow me to break them down to give you some insight into my own perspective on wards.

Normal wards (as described on page 297 of SR5) would be used to clearly protect areas from unwanted attention. They block astral entities (as you clearly proved :) ), helps defend against spells cast through them, blocks astral perception past it, and can literally cause damage to astral beings that are forced through them. They are very easily seen on the Astral.

Alarm wards (Street Grimoire p122) are more devious, in that they are transparent unless an Assensing + Intuition (3) test is passed. They will not prevent an astral entity from passing through, but would instead simply sound an alarm. I see these being used as a first line of defense, set on doorways leading in to restricted areas for example, or in elevator shafts (ugh, why am I telling you this) where physical intruders have little chance of eluding them. As far as I can tell, they do not cause Astral Intersection like normal wards do.

Charged wards (Street Grimoire p127) are similar to passive defenses, like the electric fence they are likened to in the book. I'd personally put these as a last line of defense around sensitive and restricted areas, as they can be pushed through just like normal wards but can cause the intruder significant damage (Force + Net Hits) Stun DV, and will reflect spells cast at them.

Door wards (Street Grimoire p127) are used to sap intruders of magical prowess, essentially reducing the strength of sustained magic for anyone who crosses the threshold and isn't allowed to do so. To me, this is the second line of defense along with regular wards, as they can slow down intruders who've already (hopefully) set off alarm wards until a threat response team can arrive, or sufficiently weaken them in preparation for the charged ward they've yet to face.

So yeah, fun with wards! To me, it boils down to this; if the room being protected is 10 * 10 * 3 meters you need two average magicians (MAG 3) working together to ward the room, 6 weak magicians (MAG of 1), or just one strong magician (MAG of 6). Once you start talking about warding buildings, the ritual becomes exponentially more difficult. My own house is approximately 1250m3, and would therefore require a combined Magic score of (1250/50)=25 to ward; 8 average magicians, 25 weak magicians, or ~4 strong magicians. My office building (21 stories) is approximately 175k m3, and would be an absolutely monstrous task to ward, requiring a combined magic score of (175000/50)=3500; ~1166 average magicians, 3500 weak magicians, and 583 strong magicians. :)

All of that being said, it's your game. I have no problem with a warded campus building (well, it obviously makes thing much more difficult for me :) ), but if you decide to stick with the ward as described Loki would simply wait around for a little while, assensing the ward for weak spots, and then try again later. Failing to pass through regular wards essentially present no real obstacle to a dedicated person, and I'm still rolling 14 dice against it's 6 so it's just a matter of time (even if you enforce the -2 dice pool penalty for trying again, despite spending time to look for weaknesses). Loki doesn't have any spells or active foci with him, so there's no real risk in this instance.

I'm still trying to get a feel for which rolls I should share, and which ones I should keep to myself, but I'm guessing that since Loki is fairly perceptive he'd know what he's up against here:
Mana Barrier v. Loki: 6d6t5 4
Loki scored 3 hits on his Assensing test, so he would indeed know exactly what kind of ward he's up against. As for sharing dice rolls, that's up to you. As a GM, I rarely roll in the open because I like creating suspense for my players. However, I think it's important to point out the following; in this case I scored 3 hits on my Assensing test, and so Loki would only know if the Force of the ward was higher, lower, or equal to his own. Now, in this case specifically you showing your dice doesn't do much since I as a player would have known it had a Force equal to my own (MAG 6), but if it had been a Force 5 ward I would only have known it was lower than my Magic score. This could potentially influence my decisions in the future, as I would need to press through it later and would not know how many dice I was rolling against.

To discourage metagaming on the players' behalf, I therefore typically roll secretly. As mentioned, I find that it adds suspense, and additionally it allows you to fudge the rolls if it ever becomes necessary ("the guard scored 12 hits on 12 dice, and kills PC A with a single shot? Yeah, let's say he scored a little less crazy instead" kind of thing).

As for Loki finding his body again, is the astral search something that is opposed, or simply something that has a threshold that Loki needs to hit?
With the spirit using it's Search power, it's an extended test with a Threshold of 5 and an Interval of 10 minutes; SR5 p400.

If Loki were to find it himself, it would be an Assensing + Intuition [Astral] (1 hour) test, with a Threshold set by the GM. That's why I like using Spirits to find my body again; they're much better at it than I am :)

So, let me know how you want to handle this; I'd happily roll another assensing test to qualify for spending enough time not to take a dice pool penalty for trying again immediately, and then try to press through a little bit later. It shouldn't influence the timing too much.
Assensing [9]: Aura Reading +2: 12d6t5 3
Aura looks the same to Loki; aggravating! :)
Mana Barrier [9]: 14d6t5 5
Better! I'd like to see the barrier roll 5 hits on 6 dice, thank you very much :)


EDIT:
Since you did roll in the open (:)), I noticed you only used 4 Ritual members. If my previous assumptions about the size of the building is correct, that would mean their average Magic score would need to be 12; if that's the case, Loki is outta here :D
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« Reply #162 on: <08-14-14/2240:46> »
@Martin, that was very helpful.  Thanks.  I still have some questions, but in the interest of fun, and keeping the game going forward we're going to take it as a given that Loki made his way through the barrier.  I'll get an IC post up tomorrow, and I'll PM you my magic-related questions either tomorrow or Monday. 

Thanks again for the breakdown. 
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« Reply #163 on: <08-14-14/2357:58> »
lol, I don't know who has it worse. You being an adjunct or me a full time student still working on his associates. :P

Anyways, I'll do a post about what Dantes is doing so that you can throw him into a situation he is probably not prepared for for fun. Just got some hw to finish up.
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« Reply #164 on: <08-15-14/0705:05> »
We need a hotness scale for Dr. Owlfeather. I'm asking for a friend.

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So, Breeze's plans entail a shower, recon of labs, hacking of municipality host (location and method of hacking dependent on noise) and sleep. Now I'm gonna go enjoy my day off, spend money on stuff I don't need and generally have swell time :D
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