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« Reply #90 on: <02-25-14/1420:34> »
Well, restricted gear may draw some causal interest but as long as your paperwork isn't glaringly bad and you aren't causing any overt trouble you aren't going to have a problem even in the higher security zones.  After all private security is everywhere of some type or another.  BUT, anything with an F rating is going to set off immediate alarms if it gets noticed and if you are somewhere anyone cares about.

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« Reply #91 on: <02-25-14/1428:06> »
I know this will probably be looked at unfavorably but just because there are rules to get something doesn't mean you should be able to get it in game. The last game I ran was using 4e rules and the milspec armor was still pretty nuts, I had a player say he was looking for some and i just said no. I am not comfortable with players owning that sort of gear, just like how i dont want them to have a cruise missile or to be able to hack a thor shot. Gear choices just like everything else should pass through the GM IMO.
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« Reply #92 on: <02-25-14/1433:28> »
If they can afford it, then they should be able to acquire it. Period. If you "can't handle it" or "aren't comfortable with it" then, IMO, you are not ready to sit behind the GM screen.
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« Reply #93 on: <02-25-14/1437:35> »
That is an issue between a GM and his players. 

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« Reply #94 on: <02-25-14/1446:12> »
If they can afford it, then they should be able to acquire it. Period. If you "can't handle it" or "aren't comfortable with it" then, IMO, you are not ready to sit behind the GM screen.

I can handle it just fine. Assassins, HTRs, experimental weapons, or in the case of thor satellites maybe visits from great dragons. These items i dont want them to have are escalations, ones they will not win and will get murdered for. I dont want to have to do that. So I tell them no...which is also another way to handle it.
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« Reply #95 on: <02-25-14/1449:13> »
We are 7 sessions into our campaign and getting the group kitted out in MilSpec armor wouldn't be very hard to do. 

After 7 sessions, your guys have:
- Contacts that have access to Milspec equipment
- Contacts with enough Connection rating to get 18+ hits
- Characters with enough money to charge whatever the contact wants

Your rewards may be a little off-balance then.
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« Reply #96 on: <02-25-14/1500:06> »
I can handle it just fine. Assassins, HTRs, experimental weapons, or in the case of thor satellites maybe visits from great dragons. These items i dont want them to have are escalations, ones they will not win and will get murdered for. I dont want to have to do that. So I tell them no...which is also another way to handle it.

Apparently you can't by that because escalation is not an immediate thing like people on these boards seem to think. They're not going to bring out those elite units until multiple incidents on their territory (probably about five or six) for things like assault cannons and military armor. They aren't going to give a rat's ass about their competitors' territories.
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« Reply #97 on: <02-25-14/1508:34> »
I can handle it just fine. Assassins, HTRs, experimental weapons, or in the case of thor satellites maybe visits from great dragons. These items i dont want them to have are escalations, ones they will not win and will get murdered for. I dont want to have to do that. So I tell them no...which is also another way to handle it.

Apparently you can't by that because escalation is not an immediate thing like people on these boards seem to think. They're not going to bring out those elite units until multiple incidents on their territory (probably about five or six) for things like assault cannons and military armor. They aren't going to give a rat's ass about their competitors' territories.

It absolutely can be though. When footage is recovered showing a group of runners in milispec armor, the company is going to notice who makes that armor, probably a big 10 like ares or S&K. Injunctions are going to be filled. To cover their tracks the company who manufactured the armor  would send out hits using shadowrunners. these runners may take them alive to find out who they know that can get their hands on milispec armor  at which point they (the players) are going to be burned meaning new characters. Why cant I nip that in the bud before hand?
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« Reply #98 on: <02-25-14/1537:42> »
"If you ever use this equipment then you will be hunted down and murdered and you can never avoid it" is just a very passive aggressive way of banning something.

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« Reply #99 on: <02-25-14/1542:57> »
We are 7 sessions into our campaign and getting the group kitted out in MilSpec armor wouldn't be very hard to do. 

After 7 sessions, your guys have:
- Contacts that have access to Milspec equipment
- Contacts with enough Connection rating to get 18+ hits
- Characters with enough money to charge whatever the contact wants

Your rewards may be a little off-balance then.
Um..

- Don't need Contacts to gain access, the Face is better at it.
- Looks like you are making a mistake,  Book says: To purchase an item off the books, make an Availability Test. This is an Opposed Test of your Negotiation + Charisma [Social] versus the item’s Availability Rating. If you win the Opposed Test, you find the gear at the listed price,.... 
- Nuyen is super easy to come by in 5e.  a Bog Standard mission (for us at least)is  3k plus net hits(typically 4-5)[3500] plus the multiplier (ours is minimum 4{3 from largest DP of 12, 1 from speed/subtlety})   That is 14k per 'runner  times that by the 5 missions we've been on = 70k

Perhaps we are dong something wrong?
Face has Cha 9,  Negotiation 6[8] spec Black Market, TP 3, + Edge  gives him 23 DP vs. 16/18/22 DP?  Sure we'll take that.
Nuyen per mission is base 3000 + (net hits on negotiation) then multiplied by the highest DP/4 of the opposition, + other 1 point modifiers.


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« Reply #100 on: <02-25-14/1557:30> »
"If you ever use this equipment then you will be hunted down and murdered and you can never avoid it" is just a very passive aggressive way of banning something.

I never said that. My for instance was taking that suit of armor into a a snatch a grab against another company. There are situations where it would be fine. hunt down bugs in the barrens, actually joining the military for a stint, or maybe cleaning out a barrens go gang. I say no because the missions I am going to run really aren't those. And yes people get murdered every day for less. I thought he had a gun so i shot him turns out it was a cell phone, I thought he had a grenade so i shot him, turns out its an apple.
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« Reply #101 on: <02-25-14/1558:24> »
Perhaps we are dong something wrong?
Face has Cha 9,  Negotiation 6[8] spec Black Market, TP 3, + Edge  gives him 23 DP vs. 16/18/22 DP?  Sure we'll take that.
Nuyen per mission is base 3000 + (net hits on negotiation) then multiplied by the highest DP/4 of the opposition, + other 1 point modifiers.

Where is the social limit being applied?
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« Reply #102 on: <02-25-14/1610:50> »
I thought he had a gun so i shot him turns out it was a cell phone, I thought he had a grenade so i shot him, turns out its an apple.
On the plus side, you are ahead one cell phone and an apple. :D
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« Reply #103 on: <02-25-14/1616:30> »
Perhaps we are dong something wrong?
Face has Cha 9,  Negotiation 6[8] spec Black Market, TP 3, + Edge  gives him 23 DP vs. 16/18/22 DP?  Sure we'll take that.
Nuyen per mission is base 3000 + (net hits on negotiation) then multiplied by the highest DP/4 of the opposition, + other 1 point modifiers.

Where is the social limit being applied?
Well, the Face has a Social Limit of 12, but since he is using Edge....no need to worry about it?  However for you.  let's drop the dge, gives him 20 dice[12] vs a 16  if the Gm rolls more than 12 hits on 16 dice.......

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« Reply #104 on: <02-25-14/1626:47> »
Wait - your face has a social limit of 12?  How did that happen?  Let's assume a Charisma of 9, an Essence of 5.4, and Willpower 7.  That would make him a dwarf AND an elf, with maxed out Charisma and Willpower.  Plus, his Essence is reduced by the Tailored Pheremones.  But whatever.  This gives him 10, with the Pheremones he'd have 13.  So I assume he has some other chrome in there too.

But how did he get those kinds of stats?  I'd rather not derail this thread any longer though: if you could just PM them to me, I'd appreciate it.
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