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« on: <08-03-13/1438:33> »
While I understand the reasons for not being able to send private messages while under a ban, when someone seemingly drops off the face of the planet as some thought I did during my last couple bans, it was frustrating to not be able to at least tell them that I hadn't gone and died somewhere. Perhaps having a thread, locked so only moderators can post, simply stating the name of someone under a ban, and when the ban will be lifted, would solve this problem? Nothing complicated or revealing personal information, naturally, just a post in the thread saying: Mirikon has been banned for 30 days. The ban will expire <Month> <Day>, <Year>, <Time>.

That at least lets people in discussions with the banned person know why they are not responding.
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« Reply #1 on: <08-13-13/2358:37> »
being a baaaaad boy again Mirikon??? <smirk>




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« Reply #2 on: <08-14-13/0028:31> »
Seems fair and will assist with the Play-by-Post guys
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« Reply #3 on: <08-14-13/0742:14> »
Or, you can weigh the risk of breaking the ToS versus your love of your PbP game and realize it's just not worth getting banned.

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« Reply #4 on: <08-21-13/1719:35> »
It's really pretty difficult to get warnings/bannings here, so long as you can actually be polite and can remember that you're not required to reply or even participate in some threads. 

I have a rule that I think if the rest of the internet followed, it would be a much happier and more pleasant place:  When I find myself in a disagreement with someone, I impose a three post limit.  I will discuss my point of view for a maximum of three replies.  If the person(s) I'm discussing things with wants to continue to argue or starts to escalate things, I step out.  It's not worth my time nor the frustration of arguing something online.  Much as I love Shadowrun, at the end of the day it's just a game, and what one single stranger on the other end of a bitstream thinks doesn't impact my game in the least.

It's slightly different when I'm dealing with official CGL and Missions stuff, but even then...  I try not to allow myself to be dragged into arguments.  I'll present my reasons, answer questions as best I can, but I try and ignore attacks and just let inane arguments dissipate.

Some days this philosophy works better than others, of course :)

Anyway, to the point at hand.  This is honestly a terrible idea.  Very little good can come of it.

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« Reply #5 on: <08-22-13/1332:19> »
I actually do the same thing, but for me it's more laziness.  :)  Topics where there's ban-worthy discussions are often very active and when I come back after a day (the only part of the forum I check more than once per day is the PbP part) I just don't feel like reading through 3-4 pages of back and forth between 2-3 people and I go read something else.  Like I said, it's just laziness on my part, but it helps.
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« Reply #6 on: <08-22-13/1407:08> »
I'm betting its not possible to program, but maybe an auto-reply to any PM to a banned account that just says "This account is currently banned".

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« Reply #7 on: <08-22-13/1425:11> »
In my opinion, this is the same as if a player gets banned from a particular gaming store. They don't put up any signs or pictures saying the person is banned, they just know not to let him in. If that person was in a gaming group, it's not the responsibility of the gaming store to inform the group that the person made bad decisions that led to them being banned.

As I said before, the best way for you to keep from missing PbP games and joining in on the discussions here is also the simplest way. DON'T GET BANNED. It's REALLY not that hard to be civilized toward your fellow hobbyists.

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« Reply #8 on: <08-22-13/1444:42> »
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« Reply #9 on: <11-22-14/0451:51> »
To resurrect (in part), having just experienced my first (short) ban, I'm wondering if the 'warning' system has any sort of a reset.  I'm presuming it does not, because the ban came as a result of the third warning over a period of essentially three years.  In my opinion, a flat 'X strikes over a period of forever' is not a great idea, and while I agree that a rampaging psychotroll needs to be handled, someone who only very rarely gets irritated and drops the hammer should get time off for generally good behavior.
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« Reply #10 on: <11-22-14/0919:31> »
Violations are supposed to expire after a year, per the TOS

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« Reply #11 on: <11-22-14/0923:56> »
Hrm.
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« Reply #12 on: <11-22-14/1000:06> »
possible glitch or someone didn't mark year on the excel naughty list? :P

I can admit to being guilty of the latter before, not for a naughty list but other lists that were accidentally going back over a year and confusion resulting when I thought someone was coming for an upcoming class when they actually had already attended.
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« Reply #13 on: <11-22-14/1001:26> »
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  When I find myself in a disagreement with someone, I impose a three post limit......I try not to allow myself to be dragged into arguments.  I'll present my reasons, answer questions as best I can, but I try and ignore attacks and just let inane arguments dissipate.

Some days this philosophy works better than others, of course

thats a good philosophy that I try to follow too :)
(but sometimes I fail )

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« Reply #14 on: <11-22-14/1259:32> »
I really hope this post doesn't get shut down.  I feel like the flow of communication is important, even if the communication is constructive criticism.  Constructive criticism has been, in my experience, the greatest form of advice that I have ever received.  So I really hope that anyone reading this understands that when we post here about our concerns, it's being done out of a desire to see progressive change.  I can't speak for everyone, but I do not take the actions that I am about to talk about personally.  With that preface said, let's get into the meat of my post:

I have received a few bans in my time here.  The most recent one happened about a week ago.  At that point, I reminded the moderators that we are supposed to receive warnings between bans, which I have never gotten.  Because I am not ashamed of my bans or anything, and I don't feel like hiding my history would accomplish anything, I'll give you guys a specific breakdown of my ban/warning history:

12/31/13 - 1st Warning
03/11/14 - 2nd Warning
06/03/14 - 5-day Ban
07/09/14 - 2-week Ban
08/05/14 - 1-month Ban (this was appealed and later revoked on 8/21/14 because the ban shouldn't have happened in the first place)
11/17/14 - 6-month Ban (revoked and changed into a warning)

Based on the TOS, I should not be at the 6-month ban level.  The 2-week ban should have been a warning, and the 1-month ban should have been a 2-week ban.  I should be at the 1-month ban level, with a warning already issued prior.  When I appealed my most recent ban, I was told that the TOS was changed to allow a warning between bans, and that my ban was a mistake.  When I look at the TOS thread, I find that the last edit was made on September 12th, 2011.  That means it was changed before I ever came onto these forums (as a member anyway).  I don't know how it's possible that a TOS that was implemented more than three years ago can be something a moderator can forget.  In my mind, all moderators should be intensely aware of the TOS, as ruling on TOS violations is literally the crux of their responsibility.

I think it would be fair if all of these bans and warnings were reviewed, and the list was updated to reflect the proper application of the TOS, so that we are all on the same page.  Additionally, I think it would be a good idea to implement a "review board" for appeals to TOS violations, with all the moderators able to perform reviews.  As it is, the two appeals that I made involved me first tracking down several of the upper management members of Catalyst.  Not an easy process, but one that is made easier by my association with the demo team.  If I wasn't on the demo team, I think I would have been up a creek without a paddle.
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