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« Reply #90 on: <02-08-11/1339:26> »
Not every army sees the populace as their enemy.

It takes a lot to get a soldier to fire on his own people.
Only if they were mindless zombies would I have.
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« Reply #91 on: <02-08-11/1351:00> »
Not every army sees the populace as their enemy.

It takes a lot to get a soldier to fire on his own people.
Only if they were mindless zombies would I have.
Waitaminnit... weren't you a Marine?

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« Reply #92 on: <02-08-11/1355:26> »
Waitaminnit... weren't you a Marine?

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Might wanna rephrase that Jack  ;)

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« Reply #93 on: <02-08-11/1511:42> »
Waitaminnit... weren't you a Marine?

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Might wanna rephrase that Jack  ;)

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« Reply #94 on: <03-10-11/1426:32> »
Good thread, but I fear its gotten a weee bit off topic.

As for superheroes in Shadowrun, it reminds me of a quote, the origin and total I don't recall, I believe it was the Batman TV Tropes page (invaluable resource, highly addictive!), and it was to the effect that Batman balances on a thin line between what modern technology makes plausible and way too out there sci fi. Basically what happens to Batman when we invent cloth body armor that can stop antitank rockets? He won't seem very gritty and street then, so where is the dramatic tension then?

A similar thing exists in Shadowrun. Becoming more than human is something you can do on your lunchbreak at the mall os SR. Armored skin, human limit breaking muscle replacement and bone strengthening, move by wire systems, cybereyes that see in every spectrum; a superman is YOU! Somewhat lacking in personal flight options but with magic anything is possible! Got laser eyes, but theyre too weak to do much damage. Alternately, have a mage who casts the Laser spell from his eyes!

Now we have a weak Superman, but a superman nonethelesss. Now, if you can afford to do that, you can become a very dangerous person, but of course, the criminals you want to fight can get access to likely even more powerful abilities. So your ability to bust up drug operations and protection rackets is limited to how long it takes the local syndicate to put together a cybered up monster kick artists to shuffle you loose from the mortal coil. And so ends a brief but exciting foray into superheroics.

Now, vigilantes like the Punisher might last longer. Someone who fights smart, with military gear and training. That could work, but the same problem exists. Syndicates and corps can afford their own SF commando squads to hunt you down. But I think really street level vigilantes, guys who fight crime in a lowkey way, and don't tangle with the big fish much? They could do some good and perhaps survive. Think of a neighborhood protector in the Barrens or anoer Z zone. No cops, no law, no order. The local street gangs are the closest thing to an authority and they take their orders from the syndicates above them. Someone with the skills and motivation to defend his neighborhood cpuld wipe out the local gang and defend his turf, likely with help from his neighbors. That kind of punk, neo-anarchist vibe fits well into SR I think.

Reading the thread, I also thought of a superhero inspired nut, who awakens as mystic adept, and all his spells and powers are superhero themed. He doesn't think hes a mage,he thinks he has straight up superpowers. A costumed crazy with apparantly real powers!

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« Reply #95 on: <03-10-11/2022:18> »
In 2nd/3rd ed (I don't remember which...it was a while back), I had a combat Shaman with Quickened Levitation spell (5 successes, Magic of 7) and the Channelling metamagic.

It allowed him to use the Critter 'Movement' Power to get a personal flying speed of 175+ (depending on Spirit Force). Not quite superman, but was nice to race Blitzen down the street  8)

Of course, drain was a bitch.....  :-[
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« Reply #96 on: <03-10-11/2108:21> »
"He's doing his Superman thing..."

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« Reply #97 on: <03-10-11/2114:45> »
And now he's doing his Superman on Green Kryptonite thing.  Wow, I think he's bleeding from his, everywhere.
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« Reply #98 on: <03-10-11/2232:12> »
And now he's doing his Superman on Green Kryptonite thing.  Wow, I think he's bleeding from his, everywhere.
Yeah, from memory it was about 40-50 min of happy flight time before SpiritForce(moderate) drain came raining on my parade...

Still, was fun while it lasted :)

And if not on a run, having a spirit service to maintain Movement from Sunrise-Sundown (and vice versa) was pretty simple.
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« Reply #99 on: <03-10-11/2250:38> »
Saves on air fare.
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« Reply #100 on: <03-11-11/0020:15> »
Saves on air fare.
Definitely...and cab rides or gas money. As a Barrens-living combat-shaman, it also saved having to buy a drive skill (and a vehicle to use it with)

Of course, good stealth skills and spirit concealment powers helped to get around without being stopped at every street corner ;)
Or used for target practice!
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« Reply #101 on: <03-11-11/0021:46> »
Just remember that you share airspace.   :P

I remember one Shadowtalker complaining about having to share airspace with flights that didn't carry Radio Identifiers, and then confirmed he was talking about Dragons.
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« Reply #102 on: <03-11-11/0454:37> »
Just remember that you share airspace.   :P

I remember one Shadowtalker complaining about having to share airspace with flights that didn't carry Radio Identifiers, and then confirmed he was talking about Dragons.
Oh, Dragons have right of way. It's in the official SeaTac Airspace manual under the section:

'If you intend to live through your next flight, remember this....
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« Reply #103 on: <03-11-11/1231:38> »
Yeah, and how big a radar profile do they show?  How would that Jumbo Jet or Ballistic Flight even know they were in the flight path of one?
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« Reply #104 on: <03-11-11/1405:43> »
Personally, I have no issues with people using SR rules/setting to play superheroes at their table. Or mutant ninja's, cybered up football players, or whatever their imagination lets them come up with, none of my business, if they have fun, more power to them.

BUT (you knew there would be a but didn't you?) I would seriously hate the day I see an official SR sourcebook describing superpowers and superhero costumes, physical adepts are already too damn close for my liking.

I realise SR has to evolve somewhat, its been many years since I got my first 1st ed SR book, but please, there is plenty of more SR'ish (new word?) paths to explore without turning it into a Marvel universe.

The current rules make it perfectly possible to create superheroes and play those, there is no need to ruin the SR Canon by making it official with a sourcebook.
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