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« Reply #540 on: <05-29-14/0313:09> »
As he was warned, we are , as I consider his behaviour unacceptable bullying, 2 Michael Chandra posts from thread lockdown. Two posts, so he can get the second warning, from someone not on his ignore list.
... whaaaaaaa ???
CFD in action?
Aaaaand we have a volunteer, ladies and gentlemen!

EDIT: Stupid cell phone... >:(


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« Reply #541 on: <05-29-14/0314:13> »
It is a bit personal. Let me quote some guy from "other forums" to help me explain:
...simply having a different opinion put me on one guys ignore list and I have talked to others who have the same story...

He becomes famous. I met such behavior for no apparent rason, when I asked at least for explanation, my question was met with arrogance. It is difficult to have conversation with someone who is deaf to your arguments, so, as an OP of this thread, I simply dont wat this guy here. It is like...you don`t invite someone who insults you to your living room. First time I sent the PM to FastJack, asking him to deliver the message that Chandra is not welcomed here. Apparently message was unheeded, so I have to do it this way.
And to be clear...I certainly can live without having conversation with this guy. I dont even meet him in PbP section which is my almost only active presence on forums. But IMO this kind of behaviour is intimidating, as he is some kind of CGL representative, and intimidating fans on forums like that, just for having different opinion, this is unacceptable. At least for me.

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« Reply #542 on: <05-29-14/0333:30> »
So you are putting a guy on ignore for putting others on ignore... Wow.
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« Reply #543 on: <05-29-14/0345:28> »
I dont. I just asked him to stay away from this thread.

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« Reply #544 on: <05-29-14/0348:40> »
Which you have no right to do.
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« Reply #545 on: <05-29-14/0409:26> »
I was informed of this matter by a concerned forum member. I did not know Sichr had requested me to get out of this topic, and while I try avoiding posting in topics made from people on my ignore list, I did not see the need for that here due to the length of the debate. There is a point where a topic derails so much in all kinds of directions that ownership is not something I'd still consider claimable.

However, since my presence here apparently triggers needless hostility, I will withdraw from this topic in specific and the conspiracies subforum in general, after making this rather lengthy post. I am leaving this as notification, and hope people will not start a public debate about it in this topic, as to not derail it any further.



Now, usually I do not post why I put people on my ignore list. However, there's a few reasons why I feel like I have to defend myself here. Namely, the "CGL representative" note and the "my question was met with arrogance" claim.

I am a Missions Demo Team Agent. What that means is simple: I run Missions as official events, getting them for free. It draws a few people but not many, mostly just my normal group. That's all there is to it. I am not in any form of official CGL position, no comment of mine is to be taken as official, and in fact the NDA bans me from making any statements about official non-public information.

Even if someone misinterprets that, I do not intend to intimidate anyone. I quite regret the claim that I am intimidating people for having a different opinion. The ignore list I apply to people which display behaviour I disagree with, often to the point where I feel I can no longer be objective when reading their posts and replying to them. It is partially for self-protection. There's a few forum members that received six-month bans, and if it wasn't for my ignore list, I suspect I'd have been added to that list already. But it is also in part to protect others. If I cannot be objective in a debate, my participation in it serves nobody. Not the person I'm reading in the worst manner possible, not the others reading the topic. It's not meant to be "hurhur, I iz famous, I block you, haha!" in any way, especially since as relatively-new member of this community I'd assume my hot temper is the only famous thing about me. Which my employment the ignore list is meant to help solve.




After seeing the PM I was sent and the posts here, I checked what's in Sichr's two most recent posts. I notice a claim that I met a question with arrogance. Now Sichr is partially correct, in that when he asked me for explanation, I did not recall why at that time and did not want to dig into it. At the size of my ignore list, only the active forum users on it immediately ring a bell when I look at it and wonder why they're on it. In this specific case, once the content of my original notification came up, I did recall somewhat though.

I put Sichr on my ignore list months ago when I noticed him exercise behaviour in a debate that I considered incredibly out of line. I cannot remember the details, but I seem to recall it was him being repeatedly horribly offensive, to the point that I considered it a violation of the Terms of Service, without any reasonable form of provocation for it. It was not a debate I had a personal stake in, but it rubbed me the wrong way so I put him on ignore and notified him of it.

Six weeks after that, he contacted me over at Shadowrun Universe, asking for an explanation. I informed him that I did not recall why, and for my own sake I would not try to find out. He accepted my request to leave me alone. I have included the conversation below.
Quote from: SRT forum: « Sent to: Sichr on: January 06, 2014, 03:53:50 PM »
Hoi Sichr,

Given your violations of the Terms of Service, I'm adding you to my Ignore List.

Regards,
MC
Quote from: SRU forum: Sichr,  February 21
    Hi. I know you have added me to your ignore list back on forums. Well I never actualy understood the reason why, as I am not offending anyone IIRC...not more than what is usualy accepted. I am not proud of such thing and I call for Parley. , feel I should have at least chan e to defend myself. Would it be possible fo settle this, Here or there.
Quote from: SRU forum: Michael Chandra, February 21
    I'd really prefer you didn't try to avoid the ignore function by contacting me through here, please only send me a PM here if you need moderator action to be taken here.

    As for removing you from the list, I forgot why you're on it and deem it better I do not try to dig into why I added you to it, since all that can do is get me riled up again. As such, I don't think I'm removing you, or anyone ever, from that list. It's as much for my sanity's sake as for not getting banned for getting pissed and acting out of line.
Quote from: SRU forum: Sichr, February 21
    I only used this way because you are ignoring even my PMs on forums, and because It was a surprise for me to find myself on your list for "constant violation of TOS" as I wasnt contacted by any mod and we two havent any "argument/ fight" that would be emotional or violent. In fact I considerrd ypu to be one of those more reasonable posters over there. Well. I understand your position and I will avoid any contacts in future. Good bye. Sichr.
How am I not part of the forum?? O_O I am both active and angry!

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« Reply #546 on: <05-29-14/0441:58> »
"I will avoid any contacts in future" includes action taken here. Need to say, I wasnt contacted for the violation of TOS by mods, so IMO it wasn`t the case...like MC said...people were banned for months for such behavior, so mods have been active...and would have acted in my my case, if I was violating anything (the only warning I seem to find in PMs is for some image that was considered inappropriate).

Which you have no right to do.
I know I dont own it here well I feel I have the right. YMMV
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« Reply #547 on: <05-29-14/0529:49> »
The repeat infection factor for CFD is probably the most interesting.  Even if you currently are a Head Crash with one personality overwrite, they are still vulnerable to being rewritten again.  Granted your current batch will resist the new assault but it is possible.

This is a big step up from Infected, a vamp doesn't get changed by being bit by a ghoul, though they could become a carrier.

I know they are saying that there is no 'vaccine' at present using the nanites, any new incursion will have to be slugged out each time.

However, I wonder if they are not looking at this from the wrong angle.   

If we can figure how the personalities are being made, maybe one could download their own personality into the nanite setup and intentionally infect themselves.  Since its the same personaility, not much changes and one might then have a better chance of staving off outside personality incursions. It's not a guarantee but it's a possibility.  Especially since the infection rate/defense seems heavily influenced by the nanite population, if you are chock full of your own setup you will be in a better position to deal with invaders which will probably be trickling in.

Of course they will want to work on making it less infectious outside the base body.

Yes it is way out there, but sometimes looking at different angles opens other doors as well.
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« Reply #548 on: <05-29-14/0547:38> »
If I was posessing someone, , rewriting his whole personality a snatching his body, I would make pretty sure that original "data" are completely erased and destroyed, otherwise Ill ris that whatever I have done to the victim, it can strie me back the same way. We have yet to see the CFD conflict...multiple personalities fighting over single body

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« Reply #549 on: <05-29-14/0628:04> »
I thought that is what  Seth Dietrich is experienceing in Splintered States (pg 54 and 55), he shows at least 3 e-ghost personalities haunting him.
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« Reply #550 on: <05-29-14/0809:10> »
Which you have no right to do.
I know I dont own it here well I feel I have the right. YMMV
So you feel you "have the right" to close a 37-page topic because someone you doesn't like posts in there - so it's not about what they post, just about the fact that they do - yet you claim Michael is being intimidating, while also getting all the facts wrong about him? You have issues, man.

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« Reply #551 on: <05-29-14/0813:21> »
You weren`t part of the problem, nor the solution. So please adress me in PM, or get back to topic.

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« Reply #552 on: <05-29-14/0854:27> »
Really?  At this point, Sichr, you are the problem.  Michael Chandra has the right to post here as much as anyone else, and if he has thoughts, I hope he will continue to post here as well as anywhere else he pleases.  Trying to close out people you have some obscure 'I don't know why' dislike for really isn't kosher.
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« Reply #553 on: <05-29-14/0918:03> »
It wasn`t me who started this strange war of silence, nor am I happy about this situation. I just put it into the spotlight. You don`t agree with me? Feel free to express that. But I believe I re-act properly and I wont step back. Feel free to start different topic, where this discussion moves, if you feel it is the solution. I wont go that far as to delete this thread, not just because it would be probably renewed from backup by mods and I would get lifetime bye-bye, but because there was lots of brilliant and funny ideas. But I consider this situation solved, and more you insist on derailing the thread from its topic to personal issues, the less it has reason to stay open.

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« Reply #554 on: <05-30-14/1012:18> »
Can we just get back tot he discussion of CFD and forget whatever happened between people, makes life easier.

Not sure if anyone mentioned this, but did you blokes notice that one of Celedyr's scientists is Pax?  I'm talking about Dr. P.A. Xavier and Dr. Browne's note about Xavier's background.  Makes me wonder if Dues or something similar is behind this....or I could be just pissing in the wind.