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« Reply #390 on: <03-07-14/1653:48> »
Well, Sirrurg DID got zapped with nanoinfectors. Granted, those were designed to frag him up, but still. Perhaps nanoware w/o a hive is an exception to the rule?

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« Reply #391 on: <03-07-14/1711:05> »
Scarry thong is that Sybil is something even Dragons could have mussed.

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« Reply #392 on: <03-07-14/1738:44> »
Yeah, but he won the vote of the other dragons to become Loremaster, just after Hestaby was exiled.  While we have no idea of the details of that meeting, it may be safe to assume that he had to distance himself at least a little bit.  And besides - there's always the chance that he's been infected with Sybil as well.  It's all completely wild speculation though, since we have no idea what in the world these dragons think or plot.
Now THAT is just fraggin' terrifying.

It would only be more terrifying if Celedyr had the sudden urge to roost in Renraku Arcology.



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« Reply #393 on: <03-07-14/1844:59> »
Yeah, but he won the vote of the other dragons to become Loremaster, just after Hestaby was exiled.  While we have no idea of the details of that meeting, it may be safe to assume that he had to distance himself at least a little bit.  And besides - there's always the chance that he's been infected with Sybil as well.  It's all completely wild speculation though, since we have no idea what in the world these dragons think or plot.
Now THAT is just fraggin' terrifying.

It would only be more terrifying Celedyr had the sudden urge to roost in Renraku Arcology.

Oh God. Or was it...Oh Deus?!

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« Reply #394 on: <03-07-14/1846:19> »
Yeah, but he won the vote of the other dragons to become Loremaster, just after Hestaby was exiled.  While we have no idea of the details of that meeting, it may be safe to assume that he had to distance himself at least a little bit.  And besides - there's always the chance that he's been infected with Sybil as well.  It's all completely wild speculation though, since we have no idea what in the world these dragons think or plot.
Now THAT is just fraggin' terrifying.

It would only be more terrifying Celedyr had the sudden urge to roost in Renraku Arcology.

Oh God. Or was it...Oh Deus?!
If that were the case, in the words of Bender, 'Well, we're boned.'
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« Reply #395 on: <03-07-14/1907:58> »
Yeah, but he won the vote of the other dragons to become Loremaster, just after Hestaby was exiled.  While we have no idea of the details of that meeting, it may be safe to assume that he had to distance himself at least a little bit.  And besides - there's always the chance that he's been infected with Sybil as well.  It's all completely wild speculation though, since we have no idea what in the world these dragons think or plot.
Now THAT is just fraggin' terrifying.

It would only be more terrifying Celedyr had the sudden urge to roost in Renraku Arcology.

Oh God. Or was it...Oh Deus?!

Honestly, I don't think it's him/it per say but my running thought is that Sybil virus is the old Network attempting to reboot it's self back up. Once it gets operational, It may recompile Dues, Mirage, and Morgan and start the whole thing all over again.

My evil thought of the day is having all of them recompile in Celedyr's mind. Nothing like having a Great Dragon going insane from three God-tier AIs screaming in his brain.

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« Reply #396 on: <03-07-14/1913:05> »
Damn it, I said Rhiannon again.  I meant Eliohann.

Honestly, the datajack that got installed in Eliohann's head was really old tech by these standards.  And a datajack is way more invasive than nanobots.  You can breath nanobots - can't install a datajack without surgery and neurosurgery at that.

If, and that's a big if, a great dragon got infected with Sybil, would the other dragons muster a defense to destroy it?  Look at the dragon civil war - sometimes they do fight their own battles.  Something like that would potentially destroy the world, especially if dragons were a vector.
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« Reply #397 on: <03-07-14/1940:37> »
If, and that's a big if, a great dragon got infected with Sybil, would the other dragons muster a defense to destroy it?  Look at the dragon civil war - sometimes they do fight their own battles.  Something like that would potentially destroy the world, especially if dragons were a vector.

Do dragons as a whole even understand the Matrix? Not just use it, but understand it? Sure, you got Celedyr messing with NeoNET and Eliohann and perhaps the big D himself before he killed himself, but those are the only two that actually seem to deal with it. The rest of them seem too wrapped up petty dramas and issues with the Astral to muster a defense from the Matrix besides attempting to pull the "Off switch".

Dragons are creatures of old world knowledge and ideals and while that has helped them greatly in the past (knowing where all the artifacts are buried, superior knowledge of everything related to the Astral, etc), it does jack squat in an environment that literally can change in a heart beat, does not naturally favor them, and where their opponents have the processing power of entire civilizations to outwit and out maneuver them (and are constantly increase in intellect as well).

In a way, I'm reminded of the old poem about John Henry (Dragons) in his fight against the machine (in this case, a technological singularity). The Dragons playing a game where they don't even know they're playing, the game is rigged, and prize is the continued existence of their species. 

But this will never come to pass for due to plot armor.
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« Reply #398 on: <03-07-14/2237:46> »
In a way, I'm reminded of the old poem about John Henry (Dragons) in his fight against the machine (in this case, a technological singularity). The Dragons playing a game where they don't even know their playing, the game is rigged, and prize is the continued existence of their species.

Good analogy, and good questions.  It may be that detachment from the machine in their faces that ultimately destroys them.  From a dragon's perspective, I'd say Aztechnology is the biggest worry they've got.  No dragons that I'm aware of even live in Aztlan, no known infiltrators or manipulators, and they KO'd Sirrurg and took back part of Denver in the period of a few months.  Somehow I doubt that the Azzies have anything to do with Sybil, but they may draw enough of the dragons' collective attention to allow for other forces to gather strength.
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« Reply #399 on: <03-07-14/2300:14> »
Yeah, but he won the vote of the other dragons to become Loremaster, just after Hestaby was exiled.  While we have no idea of the details of that meeting, it may be safe to assume that he had to distance himself at least a little bit.  And besides - there's always the chance that he's been infected with Sybil as well.  It's all completely wild speculation though, since we have no idea what in the world these dragons think or plot.
Now THAT is just fraggin' terrifying.
It would only be more terrifying Celedyr had the sudden urge to roost in Renraku Arcology.

Oh God. Or was it...Oh Deus?!

You know, somehow, I find the idea of a murderous uber-AI a lot less creepy than some random corporate cocktail of e-ghosts/minor AIs/psychotropic IC on crack. The devil you know isn't that scary.

That being said, I wasn't familiar with Shadowrun when the whole mess with uber-AIs and otaku went down.

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« Reply #400 on: <03-08-14/0103:06> »
In a way, I'm reminded of the old poem about John Henry (Dragons) in his fight against the machine (in this case, a technological singularity). The Dragons playing a game where they don't even know their playing, the game is rigged, and prize is the continued existence of their species.

Good analogy, and good questions.  It may be that detachment from the machine in their faces that ultimately destroys them.  From a dragon's perspective, I'd say Aztechnology is the biggest worry they've got.  No dragons that I'm aware of even live in Aztlan, no known infiltrators or manipulators, and they KO'd Sirrurg and took back part of Denver in the period of a few months.  Somehow I doubt that the Azzies have anything to do with Sybil, but they may draw enough of the dragons' collective attention to allow for other forces to gather strength.

Aztechnology is the teenager who plays with butterfly knifes, likes to show off his pistol collections, makes statues of people he hates to put out on the range later, and responds to the saying "Drugs are bad m'kay" with making his own custom ones in his basement. Almost all dragons hate the Azzies for a lot of reasons. Some because they use blood magic and draw the Horrors closer but mostly because they tell the Dragon Council to go **** themselves with a bastard sword. That's something only the dragons are supposed to do (and the IEs at times) and for a group of mere mortals to actually the guts and the guns to do so? shameful.. I mean kids these days..

As for dragons within Aztechnology it's self. There is rumored to be a horror infested one on the board of directors but never saw anything come of that.

I don't think the Big A is behind Sybil as well. It isn't their style to do something like that. They would much prefer get an army, drive it through the heartland of their enemy, and hear the lamentation of their women.

Personally, Hestaby and the D saw the writing on the wall that dragons as a whole are going to lose a lot of the prestige and power in the coming years (I may even say "made obsolete") and want to move the species towards more mainstream integration with society as a whole, thus sparking the war that they had.
They may not know of the Matrix's ability to eventually spit out a entity much much more intellectually superior than them but they do know mere mortals can now slay greats and possibility even destroy all life with a series of Thor Shots/Nuclear war.

 As for the rest of the Greats who don't understand, well...


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« Reply #401 on: <03-08-14/0118:03> »
... talk about going way out in left field with the idea.  I mean, we're no longer even in the cornfield out past left field, we're in the wheat field beyond the cornfield.  Or maybe even in the soybean field on the other side of that ...
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« Reply #402 on: <03-08-14/0131:52> »
... talk about going way out in left field with the idea.  I mean, we're no longer even in the cornfield out past left field, we're in the wheat field beyond the cornfield.  Or maybe even in the soybean field on the other side of that ...

So you don't think that Sybil could affect a dragon?  Or you don't think that a dragon is behind Sybil?  Or you don't think that Aztechnology is a bad corp?  Trying to figure out what you mean here, Wyrm.
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« Reply #403 on: <03-08-14/0137:45> »
... talk about going way out in left field with the idea.  I mean, we're no longer even in the cornfield out past left field, we're in the wheat field beyond the cornfield.  Or maybe even in the soybean field on the other side of that ...

So you don't think that Sybil could affect a dragon?  Or you don't think that a dragon is behind Sybil?  Or you don't think that Aztechnology is a bad corp?  Trying to figure out what you mean here, Wyrm.

I think he means the conversation is developing a multithreaded  plot.

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« Reply #404 on: <03-08-14/0539:54> »
I think it would be a mistake to discount just how smart a dragon really is.

While it is true they knew nothing of the matrix before they awoke. Once they awoke, I bet they (well, most) made a huge effort to get a grasp on the technology of the day. And given their vast intelligence, they would grasp the fundamentals of the matrix much better then most deckers or programmers.

We know that at least a few dragons use the matrix, we just don't know how much.
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