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Sybil virus: Clues and wild speculations

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« Reply #60 on: <05-25-13/0826:02> »
By writing in the "Thor hijacking" topic, came an idea to my mind.

Do you think that the virus is allowed by the new matrix architecture,
is helping but not directly related, or just unrelated?
And in the former cases, don't you think that the most powerful the nodes
you would visit, like what did FastJack at first with the invite of the corps,
the more likely you would be to be infected?

Also, if the new architecture is mandatory to allow this thing to develop,
what about involvement of corps (like Azzie, or on the other side, Evo,
who could see it as a new step toward the post humanity they want to achieve)
or of undercover elements inside with their own agendas?

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« Reply #61 on: <05-25-13/0828:58> »
Not related to the new matrix at all. Symptoms started back in 2073, apparently. No, this is something else.
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« Reply #62 on: <05-25-13/0836:26> »
I agree. The worst viruses SR universe know both Crash virus and Jormugand brought immediate effects, with no signs of problems prior to the attack. This is different. More like it evolved by itself, than being designed with purpose...
Also...
somehow I feel this can be some Consensus evil twin

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« Reply #63 on: <05-25-13/1441:42> »
Let's take a moment and sum up what we actually know so far. We've found two possible infection vectors: nanoware/cyberware and being exposed to the NeoNET system in Albuquerque (as FastJack was). It is possible that exposure to other infected systems causes infection as well (which would explain the rapid spread of the virus through the Gagarin complex on Mars). This does not mean to say that there aren't others. Those infected begin to develop what appears to be a split personality, and the second personality seems to have at least some access to the original's memories and abilities. The Society of the Phoenix incident indicates that Awakened infected would keep their powers in their second persona, at least, which implies that Emerged infected would do the same. The FastJack/SEARCH dialog appears to indicate that adding new 'ware may help speed the 'conversion' process, as well as showing that (at least some of) the secondary personas are innately hostile to the primary ones. The secondary persona attempts to hide its presence from others, possibly until it gains enough strength to take total control, and has an innate self-preservation (or perhaps collective-preservation) response to threats, sometimes even sacrificing its host (and possibly itself) to evade capture.

Did I miss anything?
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« Reply #64 on: <05-25-13/1551:44> »
I have to add something:
if the virus allows Awakened capacities, so far as we have known
that Emergent and Awakened capacities were mutually exclusive.
So it would seem to rule out a Dissonant origin for the virus.

Are we even sure that it came from Mars? I missed the point, I will read the topic again).

Maybe the additional augmentations don't really speed up the process (maybe it is Jack's feeling,
but who knows, as its mind might be altered in its sensations and perceptions, and possibly memories,
as we see in "Eye of the Hurricane" that the guy should at least remember that he don't remember doing something,
and he only become aware of it when put in the face), or not only, but rather keep
it ongoing, as DNA contains a lifetime of infos that would try to reverse back the basics
of the brain structures to their normal functions, which are indeed not to host
an alternative personality with who knows which abilities (because, yes, part of your personnality is genetic,
and part of your behavior related to the way your brain structures are organized, which is at first decided by genetics
as well as informations acquired by environmental stimuli)

Then it would make sense to use genewipes to "clean the ground up/format" before install.
Turns to me like if these secondary persona were the evolutions of AI induced technomancers,
without the input of the AI to come alive but with the flaw of being dependent of nanotech
to maintain this state.
So after all, the kind of statements we saw on Jackpoint maybe was a try to scare us not to try and
discover the truth. Or maybe it is really some kind of VVHMH digital version. And then,
say hello to shitloads hitting fans.

On a side topic, do we know if Emergent capacities can appear outside of Manasphere?
I mean, it makes sense they can work outside of it, as they have their own environment of choice.
But aren't the advent of these capacities linked somehow to the "manasphere" created by such amount
of life in computer systems, despite them being dry at first and improper for the development of such kind
of "magical" capacities.

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« Reply #65 on: <05-25-13/1803:36> »
You cannot possess Resonance and Magic together.  That does not render Awakened immune to Dissonant diseases.

AI induced technomancers aren't a thing, though AI induced otaku were.

SEARCH specifically asked Jack to get specific ware to do things the "easy way", so ware is certainly involved somehow.

And we don't really know what Resonance/Dissonance is or how it works; some theories link it to the Earth's EM field.
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« Reply #66 on: <05-25-13/1824:48> »
Well, while it was called a virus, I would have felt that being some sort of "foreign organism" having
some special abilities, it would be in some way exclusive of whatever other special abilities
the host would have. Which would rule out the capacity to handle other powers.
But you made a point, and actually VVHMH could affect technomancer, so my idea was
flawed (lacking definition for myself leading to forget details like these).

Can we really be sure for technomancers? I know all weren't at Matrix 0/Novatech for Crash 2.0,
but the mix with a super dissonant worm which was maybe the most pervasive thing into the matrix
at that time, and 3 of the most powerful AI (and actually the only one at the time)
certainly had side effect outside of this restricted host.
Since we could observe some AI awakening everywhere around the world.
And TM came quite at the same moment. Not to say both are related
(I don't think that new AI have the kind of power Deus had) but that Crash 2.0
messed up thing deeply.
Or maybe, that the change in the very nature of Matrix, since there were already "natural otaku",
not dependent on AI.
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« Reply #67 on: <05-25-13/1828:10> »
Yes, we can.  Many were not even remotely able to connect to the Matrix at the time.  Further, not all of the otaku at ground zero Emerged - I've seen no indications, even, of higher rates amongst the survivors from that battle.

Hell, I'm pretty sure I recall mention of some Emerging well after that event.
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« Reply #68 on: <05-25-13/1913:19> »
The eye of the Hurricane.
the guy was hitting family databases on purpose, not indifferently hacking around. May it be just the part of the bigger picture? IMO yes... All points Mirikon have raised are relevant, as far as we know, and I than him for this summary.
So...there is some agenda and individual cases infected are acting towards the same goal?

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« Reply #69 on: <05-25-13/2059:16> »
It's possible the family databases were broken into in order to look for other potential subjects. Even now we have full genealogical and genetic profiles of our families and the individuals within. They know how to convert people with this digital virus, so they look for the most viable targets through these databases, to increase success rates.

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« Reply #70 on: <05-26-13/0622:59> »
Little quote Ive missed before:
Quote from: Corporate Guide, p. 106
Dr. Sharon stopped before a door marked SJT958.
Unlocking the door with an old-fashioned key, she opened it.
“We are cultivating autonomous biological control systems.
‘Wetware.’
Unfortunately, growing biological masses that
can keep pace with non-organic computational systems has
been difficult to say the least. This is why we’re pursuing other
avenues of research.”

Here it is. MCT once again?

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« Reply #71 on: <05-26-13/0636:47> »
I would have thought that it would adress some kind of synthetic brain in a jar issues;
at the time, and we know that it is a possible option for cyborg building.
But that could make sense.
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« Reply #72 on: <05-26-13/0722:36> »
Little quote Ive missed before:
Quote from: Corporate Guide, p. 106
Dr. Sharon stopped before a door marked SJT958.
Unlocking the door with an old-fashioned key, she opened it.
“We are cultivating autonomous biological control systems.
‘Wetware.’
Unfortunately, growing biological masses that
can keep pace with non-organic computational systems has
been difficult to say the least. This is why we’re pursuing other
avenues of research.”

Here it is. MCT once again?
Possible. Obviously, the 'other avenues' they talked about was putting technomancer brains in jars with special cyberware that allowed them to keep their abilities, but made them go rapidly insane. But the original project? Maybe. Still, this seems to have started with EVO and NeoNET, so that'd be a stretch.
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« Reply #73 on: <05-26-13/0732:53> »
It won`t be the first case of "not-so-successfull-industrial-espionage"  :)

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« Reply #74 on: <05-26-13/0933:32> »
Lol and this Smiling Bandits memo a few down:
Quote from: Corporate Guide, p. 112
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