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Sybil virus: Clues and wild speculations

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« Reply #510 on: <03-22-14/1051:41> »
Maybe the ELINTs are looking for old-style otaku.

And one of the former Big Three [AIs] is behind it all.

Interrestin. Are you suggesting that there is possibility that all of possessed metahumans were original otaku?

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« Reply #511 on: <03-22-14/1107:43> »
Maybe the ELINTs are looking for old-style otaku.

And one of the former Big Three [AIs] is behind it all.

Interrestin. Are you suggesting that there is possibility that all of possessed metahumans were original otaku?

No, I'm suggesting the ELINTs - the possessing entities - are looking for, or even expecting to be in, old-style otaku. And that they're somewhat confused by the fact that they're not.

Another possibility is that the Society [?] of the Phoenix Arisen was formed with exactly this 'outbreak' in mind.

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« Reply #512 on: <03-22-14/1545:35> »


Another possibility is that the Society [?] of the Phoenix Arisen was formed with exactly this 'outbreak' in mind.


Now, THAT is a terrifying thought.....
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« Reply #513 on: <03-24-14/1010:55> »
One thing though about the mages, most of the Sybil persona that took over the bodies were unable to access the magical abilities or spell formula.  Remember in Storm Front, that's what caused the explosion at the Phoenix Arisen meeting.

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« Reply #514 on: <03-24-14/2033:34> »
One thing though about the mages, most of the Sybil persona that took over the bodies were unable to access the magical abilities or spell formula.
What's your basis for that?  I can't recall anything to point in that direction.
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« Reply #515 on: <03-25-14/0042:45> »
Nightmare, there's a difference between access and control.  Consider the folliwng parallel: magic is like a fire in a fireplace. An adult can both access and control the fire in the fireplace; they have knowledge and experience, know what to do and not do in order to prevent it from going wild.  An experienced mage, even one who's half-burned-out due to implants, has both the knowledge and the experience to generally control their magic.  A child, a toddler, on the other hand, has access to the fire, but has no real control over it - they don't have the coordination, the knowledge, or the experience to make it do what they want it to do.  This is like an ELINT taking over a person with active magic - they have the access, but not the control.  Any knowledge they may have is completely theoretical, or acquired memories of 'how to' at best.  (Ask someone who hasn't walked in six months if they remember running - they of course do.  Make them run, however, and disaster results.)

The 'Sybil' personae accessed the magical abilities just fine.  They lacked the control, though, and ... kaboom.
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« Reply #516 on: <03-25-14/0410:44> »
Good thing if they kaboom themselves. Collateral damage in this case are justifiable. Worse it is if they share their learning process with others. Which is still unconfirmed. Are those ELINTS individual beings, or are they parts of one entity? I believe even in that case they wont be able to share skills like Spellcasting or Conjuring. Something tells me that since there are no Skillsofts for this (IIRC) there will be more than download->apply process necessary to bring magical abilities under control.

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« Reply #517 on: <05-18-14/1354:06> »
Reading through Stolen Souls and really enjoying it (I'm one third through). The Sybil / CFD metaplot feels appropriately threatening and creepy. Of course, while we now have a better understanding of how CFD works we still don't know for sure where it came from.
I'm guessing "Professor Xavier" (almost missed her initials...) had something to do with the virus, but that could be a red herring as well.
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« Reply #518 on: <05-18-14/2243:40> »
I wonder how CFD works on possession spirits. My assumption is that possession would overwrite CFD, but once broken the CFD personality takes over.

I'd assume since the force of the spirit could also help with resisting CFD, that it'd also work as a good way to slow down the nanites from overwriting the personality of the original host. If that's the case Voodoo practitioners might get a lot of business coming there way.

Makes me wonder if Ares would think bug spirits would be an acceptable "cure" for CFD until a real cure is found.

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« Reply #519 on: <05-19-14/0533:06> »
Reading through Stolen Souls and really enjoying it (I'm one third through). The Sybil / CFD metaplot feels appropriately threatening and creepy. Of course, while we now have a better understanding of how CFD works we still don't know for sure where it came from.
I'm guessing "Professor Xavier" (almost missed her initials...) had something to do with the virus, but that could be a red herring as well.
Yeah, she's active in NEMA right now, judging from a Jackpoint2075 tweet. She had a slightly different name there, so a poke has been sent at the SRO writer on whether it's deliberate or a minor mistake.

Given how CFD is also going after 'Deus his children' according to some, I'm guessing she helped steer it to get her revenge.
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« Reply #520 on: <05-21-14/0527:18> »
There's something that bugs me in Stolen Souls.

Butch explains in a comment she passed an electrical current in her body to prevent any nanite infection. It proved painful but (as far as we know) effective.

But in the "possible cures" chapter, no one actually tries to use electroshocks or EMP to fry the nanites, nor even mention the possibility. If electrical current can prevent nanites from entering a body, it seems to me it would be worth trying to use the same method to destroy them, before trying to lobotomise the patient or messing with his brain with spirits :)

Of course it would be bad for cyberware, but a fried piece of 'ware seems a cheap price to pay for getting rid of the nanite infection...
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« Reply #521 on: <05-21-14/0612:16> »
Butch points out that the suckers are fragile outside of a body (i.e. power source); a low-level current would completely overload and wreck them at that point.  The problem with them being inside a body is that a) they're partially shielded, and b) they aren't nearly as vulnerable.  Something along those lines is attempted - a variation on 'Pulse' - but what happens is that they are effectively only shut down for a short period of time.

The main problem really isn't 'how to get rid of them', it's 'how to get rid of them early enough to matter', since the few examples of a successful purge has the victim being basically turned into an incompetent.  Which, really, is interesting, since the victims seem to tend to come out the far end with skills (and to an extent memories) intact ...
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« Reply #522 on: <05-21-14/0700:30> »
How about a clean hive of nanite hunter killers?

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« Reply #523 on: <05-21-14/0722:12> »
How about a clean hive of nanite hunter killers?
Check pg 83  in Stolen Souls for this, looks like the Hunter Killer nanites they tried to use were subverted/destroyed by the CFD nanites.

Maybe a whole new design of nanite using alternate makeup so they can not be compromised may need to be developed.
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« Reply #524 on: <05-22-14/0007:42> »
In Stolen Souls, it's mentioned that nanites draw off of the body's thermal and electric energy.  So lower the body temperature (as is done for some surgeries), add a hibernate spell (in hibernation, central nervous system activity is drastically suppressed), and that may bring the energy below the threshhold for the nanites to remain viable.  Too easy an answer, but speculation sure is fun!
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