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The Thing with Reckless Hacking

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« Reply #30 on: <09-08-18/2221:27> »
Where are you getting that from? There is no RAW "hacked ownership" (aside from the extended hardware test).

The extended hardware test IS what I was referring to in "hacking ownership", in a colloquial sense of the usage of the word "hacking".  As opposed to "hacking" as in using Brute Force/Hack on the Fly Matrix Actions.

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3 marks aren't "the equivalent of ownership," it's actually just the maximum level of operating permissions that can be granted to other users. This highest level of permission allows other users to erase other people's marks, reboot / format, and jump in.

3 marks lets you do anything that can be done with the device.  Owning the device lets you do anything that can be done with the device.  Ergo, 3 marks is the same thing as owning the device.  At least in a temporary sense; of course you don't generate OS on your own drek.


But that's all peripheral and maybe a mistake to have even invoked it as what I was really talking about is how Kill Code's Reckless Hacking interacts with using 16+ dice pool on your Gunnery skill to "recklessly hack" a gun turret and be able to make it shoot at drek, even if you're not a decker/technomancer by virtue of simply being able to swallow the -15 dice pool penalty.

Unless Kill Code has something else that wasn't mentioned (and again, I don't have the book yet so I wouldn't know), it appears the Control Override rules in SR5 Core will prevent you from just dropping 15 dice from your pool and make a turret spray autofire/suppressive fire at your matrix-ignorant whim.  Reason being: in order to usurp control of a vehicle/drone/turret, you must assume control on the hierarchy one level higher than the current control.  In other words, if the turret is already remotely controlled, it doesn't matter how many marks you have (or are emulating having by taking a dice pool penalty via RH) you can't issue remote control commands to the turret.  Control Override rules say you have to go higher than remote control, which is Jumping In.  Which means we shouldn't have to worry about someone with 16+ gunnery dice just dropping 15 and using the remainder to make the opposition's turrets/drones/vehicles take shots at their own side.

I was asking if Kill Code has anything that's able to combine with RH to bypass the Control Override rule.  And saying that if not: there's no worry about Mr 16 Gunnery Dice from making turrets/drones commit fratricide on the NPCs.
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« Reply #31 on: <09-08-18/2321:00> »
Yeah, I got all of that. I just didn't have much to say on it (I don't have Kill Code either). The only thing I have to contribute to that piece of this topic is that the average turret is probably gonna be automated (at least initially), and most drone users bring more than one to the party, so I doubt control override levels will be as much of a factor as you're suggesting.

Correcting the ownership thing seemed more important to me lol.
- Btw, having 3 marks doesn't let you do anything that can be done with the device. There's still a few actions like Invite Marks and Trackback Special that require actual ownership.
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« Reply #32 on: <09-09-18/0435:43> »
Note: As long as there are actions that require 3 marks and actions that require being Owner, 3 marks is not the same as being Owner.
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« Reply #33 on: <09-10-18/1642:49> »
Somewhere in the CRB it says that ownership is similar to, but not equivalent to, 4 marks.  I think the intent was to say that ownership is a level above 3 marks, but that you can't actually change ownership using marks.  You have to be the legitimate owner through being the initial purchaser, or receiving it via the one-minute process of transferring ownership from the current owner.

 

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