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« Reply #15 on: (22:00:28/02-14-19) »
...so how would  a human or elf player defend against a Troll centre who can just reach up over them and dunk the ball?
The rules and officiating make it possible. It's the only explanation for how elves, humans, or God forbid, dwarves could ever play American football in Shadowrun. The IRL equivalent is how absurdly and embarrassingly NFL rules and officiating coddle QBs who aren't Cam Newton.




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« Reply #16 on: (03:18:13/02-15-19) »
...so how would  a human or elf player defend against a Troll centre who can just reach up over them and dunk the ball?
The rules and officiating make it possible. It's the only explanation for how elves, humans, or God forbid, dwarves could ever play American football in Shadowrun. The IRL equivalent is how absurdly and embarrassingly NFL rules and officiating coddle QBs who aren't Cam Newton.

American football gets a longer text about racism in sports (and has their own form of silent protest).
Basically you have "skill positions" which are mostly elves. Agile, good at throwing, and most importantly charismatic and long living. They drive up the sales so their face is everywhere and they get the good contracts and advertisment deals. The other positions are mostly orcs who are seen as disposable. They burn out fast and there are always some more out there who would kill for a chance in sport no matter how bad the contract is.
Tactics wise you also see the occasional dwarf on the team. They won't do touchdowns, but if you absolutely have to run 10 ft. A dwarf with his low center of gravity will manage that even against though opposition.
Trolls are of course very good players, but you can't (or wont) market them as much so they do not get skill positions. And on the "no skill" position they tend to cause deaths when two wired up trolls with bone lacing crash into each other and that is a PR nightmare. So while they exist, orks are still the default.
Sasquatches are also allowed and do well, but the are very rare.
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« Reply #17 on: (11:00:18/02-15-19) »
Ever play Blood Bowl?

Elven teams are known for playing a “technical” game, focusing on passing, agility, and running up the score; Orc teams are known for playing a “bashing” game, not worrying about scoring so much as they are about beating the other team so badly they can’t score; Dwarf teams are renowned for their defensive, tanky play style; and lastly, Human teams are “the Mario,” they cannot compete with any of the specialists at their specialty, but they’re flexible enough to do a bit of anything to take advantage of the specialist’s weakness (e.g. bash the elves, outrun the dwarves, etc.)
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« Reply #18 on: (12:26:54/02-15-19) »
How easy would it be for a troll to dribble something like a basketball with those Christmas Synthham sized mitts?
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« Reply #19 on: (22:02:54/02-15-19) »
...so how would  a human or elf player defend against a Troll centre who can just reach up over them and dunk the ball?
The rules and officiating make it possible. It's the only explanation for how elves, humans, or God forbid, dwarves could ever play American football in Shadowrun. The IRL equivalent is how absurdly and embarrassingly NFL rules and officiating coddle QBs who aren't Cam Newton.
...I thought we were discussing Basketball.
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« Reply #20 on: (22:22:28/02-15-19) »
Ever play Blood Bowl?

Elven teams are known for playing a “technical” game, focusing on passing, agility, and running up the score; Orc teams are known for playing a “bashing” game, not worrying about scoring so much as they are about beating the other team so badly they can’t score; Dwarf teams are renowned for their defensive, tanky play style; and lastly, Human teams are “the Mario,” they cannot compete with any of the specialists at their specialty, but they’re flexible enough to do a bit of anything to take advantage of the specialist’s weakness (e.g. bash the elves, outrun the dwarves, etc.)
...Ork teams sound like the old NFL West (pre merger days) or old Big Ten, total "smashmouth" football with scores like 12 - 7.

Never played it though.
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« Reply #21 on: (22:23:52/02-15-19) »
How easy would it be for a troll to dribble something like a basketball with those Christmas Synthham sized mitts?
...actually you just have him by the basket and do an alley oop pass which he simply drops through the hoop while standing there.
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« Reply #22 on: (02:04:17/02-16-19) »
Now I'm trying to remember if the courts/goals got changed in Chrome Flesh. I know the football field got bigger but basketball's on the low-end of augmentation. (Football's the most, futball's the least.)

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« Reply #23 on: (02:58:47/02-16-19) »
...even back in Shadowbeat, they mentioned that the UCAS Football fields were wider and longer.

My issue with basketball not changing the dimensions of the court and goals is having to deal with 8' - 9' tall players who in two to three steps could almost travel half court and as I mentioned, simply drop the ball through the hoop instead of having to post up a shot.
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« Reply #24 on: (14:54:03/02-16-19) »
...even back in Shadowbeat, they mentioned that the UCAS Football fields were wider and longer.

My issue with basketball not changing the dimensions of the court and goals is having to deal with 8' - 9' tall players who in two to three steps could almost travel half court and as I mentioned, simply drop the ball through the hoop instead of having to post up a shot.

Introduce hockey-style icing rules (slowing down the speed you can move up the court) as well as hockey-style checking (adding a bit of blood to the game).

I dunno, I’ve always found basketball incredibly boring to begin with. As it exists now, it just looks like a bunch of seven foot tall men running back and forth across a too small space and making random shots. The winner seems to be the team that misses less... There’s no real defense, no real strategy, no real tactical skill. They shoot three hundred times and score 45%, you shoot three hundred times and score 47%, you win.
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« Reply #25 on: (16:12:21/02-16-19) »
...what gets me is those guys who are supposedly the best shooters in the league who are paid multi millions, often miss the easiest shot, the free throw.

Then some bald slightly overweight guy from the stands is walked out on the court at halftime and sinks a half court shot to win a new car.
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« Reply #26 on: (16:17:18/02-20-19) »
...even back in Shadowbeat, they mentioned that the UCAS Football fields were wider and longer.

My issue with basketball not changing the dimensions of the court and goals is having to deal with 8' - 9' tall players who in two to three steps could almost travel half court and as I mentioned, simply drop the ball through the hoop instead of having to post up a shot.

Well at least it is no contact...I cannot see anyone willingly playing American Football against trolls....in Basketball the troll has to take three steps then throw again.
So I guess with speed ware and adept abilties you can do a lot of ball stealing...unaugmented humans or dwarfs are toast though...
I apologise for my posts beeing weird to read, I am fluent in english, but almost never write in english anymore :-(

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« Reply #27 on: (16:59:50/02-20-19) »
I'm sure Sixth World NFL has chronic problems with allegations of racism, and they're probably somewhat valid.  Afterall, who DOES want to block a Troll?  You need a Troll yourself for the O-Line to counter theirs... or a cybered up Ork... or an even more-expensively cybered up other kind of player...  Similarly Elves will dominate the Quarterbacking and Reciever corps, and with QBs being the faces of the League having a reliably elfin face in that role triggers even more racial tension, etc.

Shadowbeat went more into it, but a difference between Urban Brawl and the NFL is in the latter everyone's a pro athlete.  In Urban Brawl, who wants to go toe to toe with a Troll?  Noone really, but you commonly find new recruits for the next game in Corp prisons to replace the ones who died/got broken in the last game.  Face a Troll? No I don't wanna, but if it takes 5 years off my sentence, maybe it's worth it?

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« Reply #28 on: (17:32:10/02-20-19) »
I'm sure Sixth World NFL has chronic problems with allegations of racism, and they're probably somewhat valid.  Afterall, who DOES want to block a Troll?  You need a Troll yourself for the O-Line to counter theirs... or a cybered up Ork... or an even more-expensively cybered up other kind of player...  Similarly Elves will dominate the Quarterbacking and Reciever corps, and with QBs being the faces of the League having a reliably elfin face in that role triggers even more racial tension, etc.

Shadowbeat went more into it, but a difference between Urban Brawl and the NFL is in the latter everyone's a pro athlete.  In Urban Brawl, who wants to go toe to toe with a Troll?  Noone really, but you commonly find new recruits for the next game in Corp prisons to replace the ones who died/got broken in the last game.  Face a Troll? No I don't wanna, but if it takes 5 years off my sentence, maybe it's worth it?

I think it is also important to remember that trolls are actually quite rare in society at large. They are usually around 5% of the population. Now add the fact that construction and/or security pay less but are MUCh safer and the occasional troll with magical talent and you wont find that many trolls in sports.

Thats why orks get a lot more heat, Humans and Orks are constantly trying to outbreed each other and are the most common metas. Thats probably alos why humans and Orks are the most violent competetive types out there...Tyring to be nummero uno, or stay nummero uno. ^^
I apologise for my posts beeing weird to read, I am fluent in english, but almost never write in english anymore :-(

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« Reply #29 on: (17:36:34/02-20-19) »
Trolls may be rare, but they'll be over-represented in certain professions where being big and strong is an asset.

Like sports.  At least in sports that actually allow Trolls to compete, anyway.  (Like Football and Urban Brawl, for example)