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« Reply #75 on: (07:42:23/12-22-15) »
On Page 124, it lists examples of weapon mounts.

The "mini" size lists "single shot grenade".  What is that?  Is there a grenade launcher to buy, or is it as if the drone is throwing a single normal grenade?  Or is it a minigrenade?  What's the range on it?  Does it fire it, or just drop it?  What do I have to pay for to have my drone capable of using a single grenade?  What skill would it us, so I know what skillsoft to buy?  If it's a launcher, does it have its own stats, and can I make it a smartgun?
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« Reply #76 on: (11:08:55/12-22-15) »
Another question:

I know the Ares Sentinel rail-mounted drone from 2nd to 4th edition (last printed in This Old Drone) and there's a rather long chapter in the Mack Hellhound's description about a ring setup for the rig and trailer using Sentinels as defensive measures. But there are no stats for Ares Sentinel drones but an entry for an Ares Sentry V rail-drone talking about 3 decades of experience. Is that name a typo? A namechange for marketing reasons that wasn't mentioned? Or are there any Sentinel stats elsewhere that weren't included in this book's compiled tables?


Also there's an entry named Ferret RPD-1X wheeled perimeter drone with a stat box  for a Ferret RPD-5X.

And: The Renraku Dove is listed with availability 4 (statbox and table). As it's one of the 3 drones exclusively licensed to GOD i would expect a 4F at least.
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« Reply #77 on: (19:06:03/12-22-15) »
On Page 124, it lists examples of weapon mounts.

The "mini" size lists "single shot grenade".  What is that?  Is there a grenade launcher to buy, or is it as if the drone is throwing a single normal grenade?  Or is it a minigrenade?  What's the range on it?  Does it fire it, or just drop it?  What do I have to pay for to have my drone capable of using a single grenade?  What skill would it us, so I know what skillsoft to buy?  If it's a launcher, does it have its own stats, and can I make it a smartgun?

Reasonably, since even an MCT Fly-Spy can have this mount, Id say the mount is the Grenade, holding the Payload. But still, some clarification would be nice.
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« Reply #78 on: (09:32:05/12-23-15) »
I'm honestly not surprised that Rigger 5.0 introduces yet another repair cost and mechanic...

Core had no cost for repairing boxes of damage.
Run & Gun got everyone up in arms when it introduces a 10% cost per box, which was later errata'd to 2% per box.
Rigger 5.0 has repairing vehicles and drones back up to 5% per box of damage.

I'll stick with the 2% personally to not discourage riggers too much, but it'd be real nice if these things were consistent across the sourcebooks. Also, it doesn't seem to be possible to scavenge parts from an already broken drone or vehicle, which just seems like a kick in the teeth. Are we to assume that a drone or vehicle that has it's condition monitor filled is an unsalvageable piece of drek with absolutely zero parts worth scrounging? If that's the case, I'll be houseruling it for sure.

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« Reply #79 on: (13:54:58/12-23-15) »
Yeah, there should be a second condition monitor. If the first is filled up the vehicle/drone is no longer operational. If the second one is full, the vehicle is completely slag.
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« Reply #80 on: (14:09:53/12-23-15) »
Yeah, there should be a second condition monitor. If the first is filled up the vehicle/drone is no longer operational. If the second one is full, the vehicle is completely slag.

I'd say less "a second monitor" and just go with Overflow Boxes.  Exactly the same as for metahumans, but vehicles/drones don't bleed, so it'd only get worse from environmental stuff (fire, acid rain, more debris) or further attacks.  Buuuuut that would mean things have much more parts available as well, wouldn't it?
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« Reply #81 on: (14:49:00/12-23-15) »
I don't think that this will show correctly, as I don't know how to format forumcode to show tabs like a document. Hrm. Let's try this button here...

MICRO DRONE      HANDL   SPEED   ACCEL   BODY   ARMOR   PILOT   SEN   AVAIL   COST
Shiawase Kanmushi   4   0G   0   0   0   2   3   8   1000$
S-B Microskimmer      3   1R   1   0   0   2   2   6   1000$

MINI DRONE      HANDL   SPEED   ACCEL   BODY   ARMOR   PILOT   SEN   AVAIL   COST
Horizon Flying Eye      4   1R   1   1(1)   0   2   3   8   2000$
MCT Fly-Spy      4   1R   1   1(1)   0   2   3   8   2000$
Aztechnology Crawler   3   1G   1   1(1)   0   3   2   4   2000$
Renraku Scuttler      4   1G   1   1(0)   0   2   2   8   8000$

SMALL DRONE      HANDL   SPEED   ACCEL   BODY   ARMOR   PILOT   SEN   AVAIL   COST
Lockheed Optic-X      4   4R   2   2(1)   3   3   3   10   21,000$
Ares Mercury      4/-   1G   1   2(1)   0   2   2   2   1000$
Ares Sentry V      4/-   1G   1   2(0)   6   3   2   4R   4000$

MEDIUM DRONE   HANDL   SPEED   ACCEL   BODY   ARMOR   PILOT   SEN   AVAIL   COST
F-B Bumblebee      4   0R   0   3(0)   12   3   3   12F   25,000$


LARGE DRONE      HANDL   SPEED   ACCEL   BODY   ARMOR   PILOT   SEN   AVAIL   COST
Ares Duelst      4   1G   1   4(0)   9   3   2   8R   8000$
GM-Nissan Doberman    3   2G   1   4(4)   9   3   3   4R   8000$
MCT-Nissan Roto-Drone   4   2R   1   4(4)   6   3   3   6   8000$
Aeroquip Dustoff      4   4R   2   4(1)   6   4   3   10R   40,000$
Caduceus 7      4   2G   1   5(2)   3   2   1   12R   16,500$,


If this worked, you should see the stats for the core book drones, and the ones from (most!) other sourcebooks, adjusted a bit to fit into Rigger 5, including a movement type and a Body (Boyd) score. I'm betting that you'll have to shift some lines due to tab breaks at the least, and probably it's gonna be muddled all to Hell and back. Grf. (Note to self: Learn HTML programming at some future point in time!)

This is taken from my initial submission but not yet verified from upstairs. As noted, it may well have not been published for a reason, but, theer were a lot of questions about it (Tho no one mentioned the Mercury missing under the Sentry V entry, but I went ahead and put it in here as well.) So, this still has a bit of an 'unofficial' flag on it until I'm told otherwise. 

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« Reply #82 on: (16:30:58/12-23-15) »
Quote from: Wakshaani
MEDIUM DRONE F-B Bumblebee   HANDL: 4. SPEED: 0R.  ACCEL: 0.  BODY: 3(0).  ARMOR: 12.  PILOT: 3.  SEN: 3.  AVAIL: 12F.  COST:  25,000.

OK so here's the original stat line... HANDL:3. SPEED: 2. ACCEL: 1. BODY: 4. ARMOR: 14. SEN: 3. PILOT: 3 AVAIL: 12F. COST: 24,000.

So it now costs more and been nerfed in almost every single category... making one of the best drones in the game a bit of a junker now.
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« Reply #83 on: (18:22:03/12-23-15) »
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MEDIUM DRONE F-B Bumblebee   HANDL: 4. SPEED: 0R.  ACCEL: 0.  BODY: 3(0).  ARMOR: 12.  PILOT: 3.  SEN: 3.  AVAIL: 12F.  COST:  25,000.

OK so here's the original stat line... HANDL:3. SPEED: 2. ACCEL: 1. BODY: 4. ARMOR: 14. SEN: 3. PILOT: 3 AVAIL: 12F. COST: 24,000.

So it now costs more and been nerfed in almost every single category... making one of the best drones in the game a bit of a junker now.

Well its still quite decent, but given the fact that for every treat the Drone Riggers got 1-2 slaps in Rigger 5, it stinks. Not to mention the massive inconsistencies and the fact that, once again, proper proofreading is outsourced to the first PDF buyers (kinda like it is with many video games nowadays). With Rigger 5, Im honestly afraid what will happen to Technomancers in the Resonance Supplement  :-\
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« Reply #84 on: (18:23:32/12-23-15) »
Yeah, how did the Bumblebee get 0R as speed and 0 Acceleration? That just seems very odd.

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« Reply #85 on: (18:29:37/12-23-15) »
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MEDIUM DRONE F-B Bumblebee   HANDL: 4. SPEED: 0R.  ACCEL: 0.  BODY: 3(0).  ARMOR: 12.  PILOT: 3.  SEN: 3.  AVAIL: 12F.  COST:  25,000.

OK so here's the original stat line... HANDL:3. SPEED: 2. ACCEL: 1. BODY: 4. ARMOR: 14. SEN: 3. PILOT: 3 AVAIL: 12F. COST: 24,000.

So it now costs more and been nerfed in almost every single category... making one of the best drones in the game a bit of a junker now.

Well its still quite decent, but given the fact that for every treat the Drone Riggers got 1-2 slaps in Rigger 5, it stinks. Not to mention the massive inconsistencies and the fact that, once again, proper proofreading is outsourced to the first PDF buyers (kinda like it is with many video games nowadays). With Rigger 5, Im honestly afraid what will happen to Technomancers in the Resonance Supplement  :-\

Not really... you need all those 'free' +1 mods just to make in maneuverable at all, reduced body means nothing further can be done to it without ripping out the M202 (one of the best reasons to buy this drone)... hell even the armor has been reduced, so it has less armor and no movement... honestly seems like someone decided the Bumblebee was too popular so decided to nerf-shot it.

If this is actually what's going to happen... it's gone from my go-to heavy combat drone to a pile of crap I'm never going to buy.
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« Reply #86 on: (19:37:43/12-23-15) »
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MEDIUM DRONE F-B Bumblebee   HANDL: 4. SPEED: 0R.  ACCEL: 0.  BODY: 3(0).  ARMOR: 12.  PILOT: 3.  SEN: 3.  AVAIL: 12F.  COST:  25,000.

OK so here's the original stat line... HANDL:3. SPEED: 2. ACCEL: 1. BODY: 4. ARMOR: 14. SEN: 3. PILOT: 3 AVAIL: 12F. COST: 24,000.

So it now costs more and been nerfed in almost every single category... making one of the best drones in the game a bit of a junker now.

Well its still quite decent, but given the fact that for every treat the Drone Riggers got 1-2 slaps in Rigger 5, it stinks. Not to mention the massive inconsistencies and the fact that, once again, proper proofreading is outsourced to the first PDF buyers (kinda like it is with many video games nowadays). With Rigger 5, Im honestly afraid what will happen to Technomancers in the Resonance Supplement  :-\

Not really... you need all those 'free' +1 mods just to make in maneuverable at all, reduced body means nothing further can be done to it without ripping out the M202 (one of the best reasons to buy this drone)... hell even the armor has been reduced, so it has less armor and no movement... honestly seems like someone decided the Bumblebee was too popular so decided to nerf-shot it.

If this is actually what's going to happen... it's gone from my go-to heavy combat drone to a pile of crap I'm never going to buy.

Missed the Zeroes on Speed and Acceleration. What is this supposed to be, a hover-turret? I always thought that this a clumsy one, but thats going a little far ???
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« Reply #87 on: (20:00:09/12-23-15) »
Yeah, how did the Bumblebee get 0R as speed and 0 Acceleration? That just seems very odd.

Talked with the original creator and noted that I needed to bring it down into the general power curve. We sat and chatted a bit about what it was supposed to be, and he wanted it a heavily-armed, and well-armored, flyer but that it was a slow and clumsy flyer, thusthe name "Bumblebee" because, well, it flies pretty badly.

From there, I knew a typical rotor-drone would be Handling 4 ("planes" go faster but don't move as nimbly), and I wanted to keep that for thematic reasons, but dropping the speed down to essentially metahuman speed would be fine. Armor got a couple points filed off to keep it *just* inside the curve, while it got to retain the weapon setup it already had, which consumed all of the mod points it would otherwise have had.

So, overall, it gets a tad more vulnerable and looses pursuit, but remains a heavil-armed flying machine.

There's a give and take to make something balanced. As it was before this, it was tougher, better armed, cheaper, and could fly, than the Steel Lynx, which was the closest competitor. That was just too good.

You'll see a trade-off in other designs, by the by. The Matlida's tough, but slow. The Cheetah's fast, but nearly unarmed. And so on and so forth. The generalists aren't as good at any ONE thing as a specialist, but are better in a broad sense.

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« Reply #88 on: (20:23:03/12-23-15) »
I kinda get that.. but stripping it completely of it's speed, shaving its armor then making it impossible to do all but the most minor of upgrades... it's a tough pill to swallow, THEN having it cost more after getting nerfed so badly just seems like a slap in the face.
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« Reply #89 on: (20:50:26/12-23-15) »
I have to agree with ScytheKnight. Not only did it get nurfed in nearly every stat, but also made more expensive. I call shinanagins!  Raise both speed, acceleration, and body by one and drop the cost back in line with what it was if you want to nurf it without making it worthless.
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