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A beef with some missions: Amount of Pay

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« on: (14:08:58/09-07-10) »
I have been running missions for 4-5 years now, and I just ran 5 games at Dragon*Con here in Atlanta, GA. One of the things that bothered me is that some of the missions will pay out X * (TR) per person (explicitly), and others simply pay X *(TR) total. No difference in the amount if you are running a table of 4 or a table of eight. Should the pay always be scaled per person? Should I go ahead and run it that way even if the module does not say 'per person'?
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« Reply #1 on: (14:16:12/09-07-10) »
Hrmm.  Good catch there.

Unless pay specifically says that it's a lump sum for the entire group, you should always assume that it's "per runner".

I'll try and make sure future missions are a bit clearer about this.

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« Reply #2 on: (14:18:09/09-07-10) »
Also, on a personal note, I'd like to say "thanks" for running some Missions at D*C.    I'm very appreciative of all the hard work our GMs do at conventions and at Open Play games at Firebases.  :)

How did the convention go?  I assume you were one of Kai's GMs?

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« Reply #3 on: (14:40:00/09-07-10) »
You are quite welcome. I enjoy running Shadowrun at D*C. I learn a lot. Plus, I get my badge for free for running enough games.

Shadowrun was, yet again, the first system to sell out all of the games at D*C. It helps that we have a large, dedicated group that comes in and plays together every year. We are the only game group at Dragon*Con that gets its own separate, special room at Dragon*Con.

Everyone was busy. I would say that the average table size over about 30 games was 7 runners. We could always use more GMs down here. :)

Unfortunately, there is not a place that I know of that would serve as a firebase close to my house - all of the gaming stores that I know of are an hour from me - so I can't run too many Open Games. ::sigh::
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« Reply #4 on: (17:36:05/09-07-10) »
Now if I could just get some of the gamers and GM's to come to Megacon and help pump up the Shadowrun presents here.

An I just heard from my friends that were there SO Bull get ready there are questions comeing ...... ;D
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« Reply #5 on: (22:29:34/09-07-10) »
I have been running missions for 4-5 years now, and I just ran 5 games at Dragon*Con here in Atlanta, GA. One of the things that bothered me is that some of the missions will pay out X * (TR) per person (explicitly), and others simply pay X *(TR) total. No difference in the amount if you are running a table of 4 or a table of eight. Should the pay always be scaled per person? Should I go ahead and run it that way even if the module does not say 'per person'?

I usually scale the pay depending on how many runners are in the run.
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« Reply #6 on: (03:53:25/09-08-10) »
I have been running missions for 4-5 years now, and I just ran 5 games at Dragon*Con here in Atlanta, GA. One of the things that bothered me is that some of the missions will pay out X * (TR) per person (explicitly), and others simply pay X *(TR) total. No difference in the amount if you are running a table of 4 or a table of eight. Should the pay always be scaled per person? Should I go ahead and run it that way even if the module does not say 'per person'?

I usually scale the pay depending on how many runners are in the run.
Just thought I'd chime in here. Even thought it would be a detrement to me as a player, I've Always liked the idea the the johnson just has "This" much cash for a job. No matter if one guy does the job for all the pay or you round up a gang of fifty and get bus fare. The one guy will have to work his hoop of for every cent of that cash and prolly come close to being dead, but the gang of fifty will roll the job in a half hour....
I just look at it as a juggleing game Safety or money, which do you want?
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« Reply #7 on: (04:02:04/09-08-10) »
Lloyd:  I often run like that for my home games.  For Missions though, you have no contriol over how many players will end up at a table.  We write for 6, and I know at some conventions, GMs are willing to fit in as many as 8 (We have crazy amounts of people showing up for SR events :)), but on some occasions you end up stuck with 3 or 4.  It's the luck of the draw.  So you can't really write and run Missions like that, because it's not the players choice, most of the time.

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« Reply #8 on: (04:32:09/09-08-10) »
Lloyd:  I often run like that for my home games.  For Missions though, you have no contriol over how many players will end up at a table.  We write for 6, and I know at some conventions, GMs are willing to fit in as many as 8 (We have crazy amounts of people showing up for SR events :)), but on some occasions you end up stuck with 3 or 4.  It's the luck of the draw.  So you can't really write and run Missions like that, because it's not the players choice, most of the time.
Actually, I Have noticed it run like that. We are one of those bigger groups and, not very often mind you, we have hit a run or so that we each got less from the norm because of the size of our group. I actually think those times have more to do with confusion on the GM's part, but we usually make up for it in looting. We're like Kinder, the whole lot of us.  ;)
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« Reply #9 on: (06:59:23/09-08-10) »
I actually think those times have more to do with confusion on the GM's part, but we usually make up for it in looting. We're like Kinder, the whole lot of us.  ;)

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« Reply #10 on: (16:37:49/09-08-10) »
Just thought I'd chime in here. Even thought it would be a detrement to me as a player, I've Always liked the idea the the johnson just has "This" much cash for a job. No matter if one guy does the job for all the pay or you round up a gang of fifty and get bus fare. The one guy will have to work his hoop of for every cent of that cash and prolly come close to being dead, but the gang of fifty will roll the job in a half hour....
I just look at it as a juggleing game Safety or money, which do you want?
That's how I tend to run it in games I GM, too (and like you said, it's what makes sense from Mr. Jay's point of view)...but for something like Missions, you've got to try and be a little more fair about it, or "above the board," or whatever.  A flat "per person" method of payment is probably the best way to handle it, in an official shared universe thing, being run at cons, etc, etc.

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« Reply #11 on: (16:44:18/09-08-10) »
Yeah, I know for a fact that in at least two missions we got paid "by the group" when we should have been paid " by the person" Ah well, it happens.

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« Reply #12 on: (16:46:31/09-08-10) »
Possibly by me, if you were at Dragon*con
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« Reply #13 on: (21:28:21/09-08-10) »
Just out of curiosity... since we're on the subject of missions and pay, doesn't the overall pay seem a little low?  I know some "rewards" are meant to make up for it if you sell your soul to a corp, but what good is access to a delta clinic if you can't afford the delta gear to be put in to you?

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« Reply #14 on: (00:55:40/09-09-10) »
Honestly I think pay and karma are pretty good my character has amassed like half a million ........ok he's an adept he don't buy jack lol.

but hey there is money to be had.
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